Henry Ford Engine

[vascon2196]

Thank you very much Brian. If I run into any problems I will definately let you know.

Chris

 

[vascon2196]

Here are some pictures of the modified oiler and some of the ignition components. I just finished the push rod supports and mounted them. I used standard bronze bushings and tapped the supports at a slight angle instead of countersinking to a knife edge like the plans called out for. Next I need to make a contact with the exhaust cam. After that....the part that really makes me nervous is wiring this thing up. I have taken pictures of the plans I have which show a schematic. The last thing I want to do is have this thing blow up in my face.

This is what's been helping me stay out in the shed...Christmas gift from my wife.

 

[Jack B]

Hi Chris: Nice talking to you at the NEMES show today. Here is the wire diagram I used on my engine. Jack B

 

[vascon2196]

Hi Jack,

Nice talking with you as well. This is perfect!

Now I want to get out in the shop and get this engine finished once and for all.

I will let you know the results.

Thank you again.

Chris

 

[ozzie46]

Now thats a wiring diagram I can understand!!! :big: :big: :big:

Thanks for posting that Jack B.

Ron

 

[vascon2196]

After leaving the NEMES show yesterday afternoon I took back with me a better understanding of how this engine is going to operate. I listened to lot's of feedback from lot's of different folks. Thanks again to everyone who helped guide me in the right direction.

I just bought my first Ford Buzz Coil from Ebay. I have not had much luck with Ebay in the past but I did not see another place online to buy these things.

Now I need to get an on/off switch.

Chris

 

[vascon2196]

Just got the engine timed. Come on warmer weather!!!

Chris

 

[vascon2196]

It's been a while but I FINALLY got this engine wired up. I got a spark from the antique Ford ignition coil using a 6V rechargeable power wheels battery. A put a small amount of gas into it and spun the flywheel.

Nothing happened.


I'll try again this weekend and take some pictures. I tried to run the engine without using a piston ring or O-ring...maybe that is why?

This weekend!

Chris

 

[arnoldb]

I'll hold thumbs for you Chris - good luck for the weekend!

Kind regards, Arnold

 

[Lakc]

It's been a while but I FINALLY got this engine wired up. I got a spark from the antique Ford ignition coil using a 6V rechargeable power wheels battery. A put a small amount of gas into it and spun the flywheel.

Nothing happened.


I'll try again this weekend and take some pictures. I tried to run the engine without using a piston ring or O-ring...maybe that is why?

As we say in the business; Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow. Doing all those at the right time and they magically keep running. Rings help with the suck and squeeze parts.

 

[metalmad]

hay Cris
is that a relay beside your coil or a condensor?

 

[Brian Rupnow]

Its a relay.

 

[vascon2196]

hay Cris
is that a relay beside your coil or a condensor?

It was a relay but I decided not to use it. I bought a buzz coil off ebay and wired it up per photographs that came with the plans.

Chris

 

[vascon2196]

Still can't get this damn thing to run!

I put the split ring that came with the plans on the piston. Checked my timing and put a small amount of fuel in the resevoir.

I spun the flywheel a few times until (BANG)....it finally did something. That was it though...a loud (BANG) out of the exhaust but it did not turn over the flywheel. I kep having to turn the flywheel manually and it kept (poofing) out of the exhaust port.

Should it do that?

I thought the explosion was supposed to happen inside the combustion chamber and push the piston out of the way.



I almost threw the whole engine in the woods and covered it with dirt.



But I put it back in my shop for another day when I'm not so pissed.

 

[stevehuckss396]

Sounds like the cam timing is off and there is a fire when or just before the valve is opening.

 

[cfellows]

Could be an ignition timing issue as well. The ignition should fire right about at or a tad before top dead center. The exhaust valve should then open at about bottom dead center.

Chuck

 

[vascon2196]

Thanks guys...I will check my timing.

Could it be the valve spring? Not enough force to keep the valve closed during combustion? Just thinking outloud.

Chris

 

[vascon2196]

Adjusted the timing...still nothing. It "poofed" a couple of times but that's it.

I'll try something else next weekend when I've cooled down.

Chris

 

[Jack B]

Hi Chris: Sorry to hear your H.Ford engine is giving you trouble. Two weeks ago Saturday I went to the Tractor and Truck show at the Francis Farm in Rehoboth MA. I was introduced to a father and son team that have about 40 make or brake engines all running. They have about eight of them on display in the museum there. I went home and got my model steam engine and model IC engine that I completed in the winter and showed them to them. No problem with the steam engine it ran nicely on air from the git go. However like you and I discussed at the Waltham show I was a little unsure about the wiring and timing of the IC engine.
They also said the same thing as Chuck Fellows said in his post. Ignition should fire just before top dead center and exhaust should be at about bottom dead center. The wiring diagram which I posted for you a while ago should work, that is what I used. They said my intake valve spring was too strong because you should see the intake valve pop a slight bit when you turn the flywheel. They showed me one of their engines that was using a buzz coil. The top side port is positive + from the battery. The side port just below it goes to the points and the port right on the bottom of the coil goes to ground or negative. If you are hooked up right and rotate your flywheel slowly you should get a spot where the buzz coil sounds like a bee buzzing. I figure my engine should be ready to go on Thursday so I made an appointment with my self to spend the day getting it going. After talking to them I have more confidence.
A crowd of people gathered around the table where we were looking at the engines at the tractor show. I think a Henry Ford Engine would attract a large crowd at a show like this. I hope this helps. Jack B

 

[vascon2196]

Thank you Jack...it does help.

Last night I went to bed thinking about what the problem might be with my engine. I said to myself "it's exploding out of the exhaust port"...why? It should be exploding in the combustion chamber forcing the piston out of the way but for some reason it's overcoming the spring force on the valve. The majority of the explosion is being wasted out to atmosphere.

I decided to increase the spring force by tightening the set screw....same thing happened.

I decided to melt some old fishining weights I had in the cracks and crevices of the chamber....same thing happened.


First thing this morning I looked at the pictures that came with the plans. There is an arrow on the stop-and-waste valve facing the combustion chamber! I have mine facing in the opposite direction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-[

HOW DID I MISS THAT! No wonder why the explosion is forcing the valve open!!! I can't believe this happened...SH-T happens. I have read and created blueprints for the past 15 years!!!

The drawing has this labeled as well...I missed it twice. Of course I used thread locker and JB Weld so it should be quite interesting getting the sucker off.