Of all the things I do, and I do a lot--I especially hate making cams. I know the formula for calculating cams. I know half a dozen ways to make the cams. The way I make them on my milling machine works for me, but they take forever to make and are a great pain in my a$$. I started this morning at 8:00 and it's now 4:00 in the afternoon. That's 2 hours per cam, which really isn't bad, but I'd rather kiss a snake than make a cam. If the lord loves me and I get these little rascals heat treated without melting anything, I will be a happy man!!!