Many Edgar J. Westbury plans available

[bigal2749]

Have over 2-3 dozen sets, most of which are of planes but also the Minnie, Firewagon, Boiler, and steam engine plant setup.

If anyone is looking for that hard to find plan , I imagine the small plane engines are the rarest.

Let me know and if I get several inquiries I'll post a complete list.

Al

 

[gunner312]

I am definitely interested. Tell me what you have and how much.
Thanks

Jim

 

[gunner312]

I am especiall interested in the Boiler plans.

Jim

 

[kf2qd]

Definately imterested.

 

[RonW]

Have over 2-3 dozen sets, most of which are of planes but also the Minnie, Firewagon, Boiler, and steam engine plant setup.

If anyone is looking for that hard to find plan , I imagine the small plane engines are the rarest.

Let me know and if I get several inquiries I'll post a complete list.

Al

I'm certainly interested in the Minnie plans but they weren't by Westberry but Mason. Nevertheless if you have any copies let me know. Not sure where you are. I'm in Ontario so digital copies, if you have them, might be easier. I can get them printed locally. Thanks,
RonW

 

[NickP]

I’d like to see what’s available and your asking price please.

 

[mrehmus]

Many of the plan sets are still in print and are therefore copyrighted. Make certain the plans you offer you have the legal rights to distribute.

 

[Charles Lamont]

Many of the plan sets are still in print and are therefore copyrighted. Make certain the plans you offer you have the legal rights to distribute.

Al can sell, second hand, the plans he bought. I don't think he is proposing to make and sell copies.

 

[Cogsy]

Al can sell, second hand, the plans he bought. I don't think he is proposing to make and sell copies.

Unless their license specifies one build per plan purchase and a build has been attempted or completed.

 

[Richard Hed]

Have over 2-3 dozen sets, most of which are of planes but also the Minnie, Firewagon, Boiler, and steam engine plant setup.

If anyone is looking for that hard to find plan , I imagine the small plane engines are the rarest.

Let me know and if I get several inquiries I'll post a complete list.

Al

I'm interested in mostly steam engines and boilers and occassionaly somethinge else interesting. I have many drawings (in the legal right) that I am slowly getting drawn. At the moment, none of them have dims, I am working now and haven't time to work on any more or dim them. But when I do, I will let hyou know--I do not charge for these at this time.

 

[Charles Lamont]

Unless their license specifies one build per plan purchase and a build has been attempted or completed.

What licence? We are talking about historic plan sets produced in the UK. They will usually, but not always, have a © symbol. Nothing else.

 

[goldstar31]

What licence? We are talking about historic plan sets produced in the UK. They will usually, but not always, have a © symbol. Nothing else.

FWIW Copying- an original document is a breach of copyright. However, there seems to be no reason( not ) to sell the 'original' purchased item. What happens to the 'new' purchaser is a matter between the owner of the copyright and him.

Instead of postulating, which seems to be the case, someone should clear the situation with the publisher rather than anyone who wants to chuck his hat into the t=ring.

The late Jim Early and I ran foul of the 'new' owners of Model Engineer who was then Magicalia.
I hope that this information finally puts the problem, as printers will say, be put to bed.

 

[Charles Lamont]

However, there seems to be no reason to sell the 'original' purchased item.

Norm, there may be a 'not' missing from that sentence?

 

[goldstar31]

Apologies and Thank you

I have macular degeneration and consequently, difficulty in reading.
I'm sort of like Lord Nelson, once a moth someone sticks a hypodermic needle in what passes for my good eye

 

[Cogsy]

What licence? We are talking about historic plan sets produced in the UK. They will usually, but not always, have a © symbol. Nothing else.

It's just general advice (I don't have any direct knowledge of these plan sets). Lots of the plans in this hobby are covered by such a license condition and many of them may not explicitly display the conditions on them but are agreed to upon initial purchase instead. That © symbol certainly means they are covered by a copyright of some description and there is some form of a license. What the terms of that are I have no idea. To confuse things further, if they don't have the © symbol then they are most likely still covered by some form of copyright.

 

[bigal2749]

I'm certainly interested in the Minnie plans but they weren't by Westberry but Mason. Nevertheless if you have any copies let me know. Not sure where you are. I'm in Ontario so digital copies, if you have them, might be easier. I can get them printed locally. Thanks,
RonW

 

[bigal2749]

I want to respond to a couple of inquiries but can I private message a member and if I can how ?

After three hours on my laptop I did find

Supreme Court: You Bought It, You Own It, You Can Resell It " in the States we have something called the “first sale doctrine.” It simply means that once a tangible copyrighted work (or something with copyright in it) is sold lawfully the first time, the original copyright owner no longer has rights over the physical item. After that, the buyer can do whatever he or she wants with it — sell it again, donate it, whatever. That’s why you can legally hold a yard sale or sell computers on eBay. "
“You bought it. You own it. You have a right to resell it.”


I also called my second daughter who is an attorney in LA on track to becoming a partner at Jones Day (13th largest law firm with over 2500 lawyers). Her focus is intellectual property. She basically said the same as the above. I did have to suffer a boring 3 hour lecture.

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[mrehmus]

Yup, you can give it away, sell it, or destroy it. But you cannot copy it except for your own use. As long as the original copyrighted property what is transferred, it is completely legal.

 

[Richard Hed]

I want to respond to a couple of inquiries but can I private message a member and if I can how ?

After three hours on my laptop I did find

Supreme Court: You Bought It, You Own It, You Can Resell It " in the States we have something called the “first sale doctrine.” It simply means that once a tangible copyrighted work (or something with copyright in it) is sold lawfully the first time, the original copyright owner no longer has rights over the physical item. After that, the buyer can do whatever he or she wants with it — sell it again, donate it, whatever. That’s why you can legally hold a yard sale or sell computers on eBay. "
“You bought it. You own it. You have a right to resell it.”


I also called my second daughter who is an attorney in LA on track to becoming a partner at Jones Day (13th largest law firm with over 2500 lawyers). Her focus is intellectual property. She basically said the same as the above. I did have to suffer a boring 3 hour lecture.

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Don't u just hate when ur children lecture u?

And Yes, you CAN private message peeps. I thimk you have to click on theier photo or what ever.

 

[Cogsy]

Interesting - how does that go for things like a copy of an operating system for instance? You pay for a license and you're allowed to use it exactly once (for a normal stand-alone license). The registration of that operating system is keyed into the specific hardware configuration of you machine and you can't purchase a new machine and transfer over the license from your old system.

Edit: I see the word 'tangible' in your description but not that long ago software came on tangible CD-ROMs, with the access key printed right on them, but still you couldn't deactivate your system and reactivate it on another one.

I'm not a lawyer (obviously) but I have seen the license conditions that I mentioned earlier. It's my layman's understanding that when you make a purchase you agree to those conditions and must abide by them - basically it's a contract.

Many companies use such a licensing system, such as every supplier of OEM car parts to the car manufacturers. They make the parts to the car companies plans and specs and have some agreement in place for the quantity they are allowed to produce and who they are permitted to sell them to. Once that agreement expires they can no longer create any more of those parts. Possibly the license is the contract and is separate from the physical copyright but it does not fit with the mention of intellectual property. I don't know, I'm so glad I never went into law as a career!

Personally, I do my best to protect the plan designer/copyright holder and comply with the licensing conditions. Surely no-one would argue that buying one set of plans off a designer and then sharing them among an entire club of people to build many engines is hurting the business of the copyright holder? Essentially, this is exactly what we're doing when we on-sell plans that we've already used to build an engine. I don't do it but I guess others do.