Toymaker, Just a comment on "Horrible design" in my previous post. It is not just the array of tubes with fabricated corners that troubles me a bit, but as I learned lessons in industry, and "why" industrial standards are what they are, I feel I should remind you of some of the facts about copper, steam, etc.
ASME (The American Society of Mechanical Engineers) are an erstwhile body of that nation's top - and possibly most sensible - engineers. SO if they tell me that they do not condone braze fabricated copper assemblies over 400degrees F. (about 200deg.C). = steam at 100psi - then I take that as a sensible limit. It can (is) argued that their factors of safety are "too high", but the facts are that copper loses strength very rapidly with temperature. They set a permissible stress limit for copper at 6700psi at below 100 degrees F, yet - because the copper is so weak at elevated temperature - the permissible stress limit at 400 deg. F is only 3000psi. - The tube you are using is probably supplied for system pressure of 6 bar at "room" temperature, - which would relate to a Normal working pressure of 2.68bar (39psi) at 400deg. F. (<45% of the room temperature stress - because it is copper). Yet you are talking of operating at 34 bar. = 500psi. I.E. 5 times the permissible room temperature stress. Or 12.7 times the elevated temperature permissible stress for 200deg.C. - or 168 times the ASME permissible stress limit?
This just sounds crazy to me, so I am not trying to scare you at all. Simply remind you that your expedient copper tube solution to making a boiler, may be expecting a bit too much? - Please re-check your calculations of all this.
Incidentally, NASA ignore ASME design limits - because they can calculate everything to the extremity of man's capability, then manufacture with the utmost care, with the best materials and processes, and they can afford the failures that occur. - But I work to ASME limits because I am not NASA.
K2
ASME (The American Society of Mechanical Engineers) are an erstwhile body of that nation's top - and possibly most sensible - engineers. SO if they tell me that they do not condone braze fabricated copper assemblies over 400degrees F. (about 200deg.C). = steam at 100psi - then I take that as a sensible limit. It can (is) argued that their factors of safety are "too high", but the facts are that copper loses strength very rapidly with temperature. They set a permissible stress limit for copper at 6700psi at below 100 degrees F, yet - because the copper is so weak at elevated temperature - the permissible stress limit at 400 deg. F is only 3000psi. - The tube you are using is probably supplied for system pressure of 6 bar at "room" temperature, - which would relate to a Normal working pressure of 2.68bar (39psi) at 400deg. F. (<45% of the room temperature stress - because it is copper). Yet you are talking of operating at 34 bar. = 500psi. I.E. 5 times the permissible room temperature stress. Or 12.7 times the elevated temperature permissible stress for 200deg.C. - or 168 times the ASME permissible stress limit?
This just sounds crazy to me, so I am not trying to scare you at all. Simply remind you that your expedient copper tube solution to making a boiler, may be expecting a bit too much? - Please re-check your calculations of all this.
Incidentally, NASA ignore ASME design limits - because they can calculate everything to the extremity of man's capability, then manufacture with the utmost care, with the best materials and processes, and they can afford the failures that occur. - But I work to ASME limits because I am not NASA.
K2