WmRenteria
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Hello Tom.....
We seem to be looking for the same information. I'm an Industrial Designer and 3D CAD modeler / computer animator
I've been chasing this same basic information for years...... I recently discovered a data file of the General locomotive in a website called TurboSquid (www.turbosquid.com).
In the TurboSquid site, you can do a search for "The General" or type in 398216 (the product I.D.) and you'll be taken directly to the page for "The General" file. You'll note that this file has been on this site since April 2008.
I purchased the file and downloaded it..... I felt that it, along with the plastic kit was an inexpensive place to start ..
After review of the file, I believe the data I was seeing was based on the information (hard data) that was used to create the 1/25th scale plastic kit of the GENERAL (which I have). The similarities between the kit parts and the data led me to this thought This hard data could have been used to create hard tooling for plastic injection molded parts. With that in mind, I thought that these polystyrene parts had to be fairly close.
I'm not certain which CAD system the original file was created in, however the file that exists in the TurboSquid site is a file that was most likely translated into an earlier version of a modeling and animation application called 3ds Max (now produced by Autodesk).
The file itself is a .max file and only usable or openable in 3ds MAX..... I am not a regular user of this application however I wanted to access the file and translate it into another application I use and then eventually into SolidWorks..... or even ProE if necessary. Here in lies a bit of a problem.
One must find a means of creating either a legitimate .igs/.iges, dwg, or dwf file of the entire .max file .. not easily done .. There seems to be some sort of an error in the file I downloaded (not a virus).
In lieu of this file .. One would have to attempt to establish a contact with whomever was involved with mechanical or tooling engineering or possibly even the art or design department at which ever plastic model kit manufacturer produced those 1/25th scale model of the GENERAL.
I sense that someone from one of those companies which produced that 1/25th scale model provided that data file to TurboSquid. The data file may have even been provided illegally (possibly even violating some form of copyright law --- who knows???).
My 1/25th scale kit was produced by MPC, however we already know that it was produced under the name of another model kit manufacturer --- AMT/ERTL (Im not certain if there were any mergers or sales of tooling, etc, in this respect).
However I still feel contacting the museum in Georgia is going to be a next stop (possibly an actual visit if they agree to allow the use of a fabric tape measure). Someone has to get close enough to the General
I downloaded a Free Trial of the 3ds MAX application from Autodesk site (it's a complete version of the application with a time limit) and all capabilities function. I did the same with AutoCAD, Inventor and a couple of their other applications.
3ds MAX is supposedly capable of creating and saving all the different files however the model of the locomotive is a polygonal model and quite large (in terms of polygons), and does not allow the application to create or translate a complete model.
The tender body translates, but not the locomotive. Worse yet, the locomotive object as it exists in 3ds MAX cannot be un-grouped (everything is attached and cannot be separated past removal of the driving wheels, the bell and the cab all being attached.
Im mentioning all of this just in case you want to try downloading the file from TurboSquid .. Youll know what to possibly expect.
After I downloaded the file I opened it easily within 3ds Max .. on opening the download folder I also discovered the black on white images of the artwork for the stripping on the tender .. This is another reason I felt this file may have been generated for the 1/25th scale model.
I created several side view elevations within 3ds Max .. and saved them as screen grabs with the Windows 7 - Snipping Tool to transfer into my primary modeler ALIAS Studio as underlays and then create surface data over the images that can be turned into solids in SolidWorks.
Here again, I discovered a bit of a problem .. On review of the screen images, I noticed that the Generals driving wheels seem to be a tad small and also that there seems to be a larger space between the driving wheel fenders and the bottom of the cab. The proportion seems a tad off.
I scaled the image based on what I thought was an accurate dimension that I located on a list of specifications in one publication I have about the chase .. It lists the diameter of the driving wheels to be 60 inches .. However in the same publication, there seems to be discrepancy about the diameter of the driving wheels.
In this publication there is a black on white line drawing specifying that the diameter is 62 inches. It cant be both, so part of my dilemma is whether the flanges were taken into account for the larger dimension or not. This is one thing I want to use as a datum .. this, as well as the wheelbase between the drivers.
IF one or two datum lines can be established, the rest can be visually scaled in a CAD system with an underlay of a reliable image. It may not be 100% accurate .. however it could be close enough.
I dont know if any of this helps you, however it may offer a place to start. Please feel free to jump in with any suggestions or questions .. Perhaps if we collaborate, we can solve this .. and keep in mind that there is some hard data out there somewhere .. even though someone, somewhere may have taken some license with some of the dimensioning which would not surprise me.
In short, we may have to create our own plans based on whatever can be gleaned along the way ..!!!
Please feel free to contact me directly at [email protected] and lets see what we can determine .. Im not ready to give up yet.
Regards, William Renteria
We seem to be looking for the same information. I'm an Industrial Designer and 3D CAD modeler / computer animator
I've been chasing this same basic information for years...... I recently discovered a data file of the General locomotive in a website called TurboSquid (www.turbosquid.com).
In the TurboSquid site, you can do a search for "The General" or type in 398216 (the product I.D.) and you'll be taken directly to the page for "The General" file. You'll note that this file has been on this site since April 2008.
I purchased the file and downloaded it..... I felt that it, along with the plastic kit was an inexpensive place to start ..
After review of the file, I believe the data I was seeing was based on the information (hard data) that was used to create the 1/25th scale plastic kit of the GENERAL (which I have). The similarities between the kit parts and the data led me to this thought This hard data could have been used to create hard tooling for plastic injection molded parts. With that in mind, I thought that these polystyrene parts had to be fairly close.
I'm not certain which CAD system the original file was created in, however the file that exists in the TurboSquid site is a file that was most likely translated into an earlier version of a modeling and animation application called 3ds Max (now produced by Autodesk).
The file itself is a .max file and only usable or openable in 3ds MAX..... I am not a regular user of this application however I wanted to access the file and translate it into another application I use and then eventually into SolidWorks..... or even ProE if necessary. Here in lies a bit of a problem.
One must find a means of creating either a legitimate .igs/.iges, dwg, or dwf file of the entire .max file .. not easily done .. There seems to be some sort of an error in the file I downloaded (not a virus).
In lieu of this file .. One would have to attempt to establish a contact with whomever was involved with mechanical or tooling engineering or possibly even the art or design department at which ever plastic model kit manufacturer produced those 1/25th scale model of the GENERAL.
I sense that someone from one of those companies which produced that 1/25th scale model provided that data file to TurboSquid. The data file may have even been provided illegally (possibly even violating some form of copyright law --- who knows???).
My 1/25th scale kit was produced by MPC, however we already know that it was produced under the name of another model kit manufacturer --- AMT/ERTL (Im not certain if there were any mergers or sales of tooling, etc, in this respect).
However I still feel contacting the museum in Georgia is going to be a next stop (possibly an actual visit if they agree to allow the use of a fabric tape measure). Someone has to get close enough to the General
I downloaded a Free Trial of the 3ds MAX application from Autodesk site (it's a complete version of the application with a time limit) and all capabilities function. I did the same with AutoCAD, Inventor and a couple of their other applications.
3ds MAX is supposedly capable of creating and saving all the different files however the model of the locomotive is a polygonal model and quite large (in terms of polygons), and does not allow the application to create or translate a complete model.
The tender body translates, but not the locomotive. Worse yet, the locomotive object as it exists in 3ds MAX cannot be un-grouped (everything is attached and cannot be separated past removal of the driving wheels, the bell and the cab all being attached.
Im mentioning all of this just in case you want to try downloading the file from TurboSquid .. Youll know what to possibly expect.
After I downloaded the file I opened it easily within 3ds Max .. on opening the download folder I also discovered the black on white images of the artwork for the stripping on the tender .. This is another reason I felt this file may have been generated for the 1/25th scale model.
I created several side view elevations within 3ds Max .. and saved them as screen grabs with the Windows 7 - Snipping Tool to transfer into my primary modeler ALIAS Studio as underlays and then create surface data over the images that can be turned into solids in SolidWorks.
Here again, I discovered a bit of a problem .. On review of the screen images, I noticed that the Generals driving wheels seem to be a tad small and also that there seems to be a larger space between the driving wheel fenders and the bottom of the cab. The proportion seems a tad off.
I scaled the image based on what I thought was an accurate dimension that I located on a list of specifications in one publication I have about the chase .. It lists the diameter of the driving wheels to be 60 inches .. However in the same publication, there seems to be discrepancy about the diameter of the driving wheels.
In this publication there is a black on white line drawing specifying that the diameter is 62 inches. It cant be both, so part of my dilemma is whether the flanges were taken into account for the larger dimension or not. This is one thing I want to use as a datum .. this, as well as the wheelbase between the drivers.
IF one or two datum lines can be established, the rest can be visually scaled in a CAD system with an underlay of a reliable image. It may not be 100% accurate .. however it could be close enough.
I dont know if any of this helps you, however it may offer a place to start. Please feel free to jump in with any suggestions or questions .. Perhaps if we collaborate, we can solve this .. and keep in mind that there is some hard data out there somewhere .. even though someone, somewhere may have taken some license with some of the dimensioning which would not surprise me.
In short, we may have to create our own plans based on whatever can be gleaned along the way ..!!!
Please feel free to contact me directly at [email protected] and lets see what we can determine .. Im not ready to give up yet.
Regards, William Renteria