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[Steamchick]

Hi Richard, I left the computer "ON" overnight so I wouldn't have to waste time re-starting Linux - 'till I get used to the thing... I tried to set the keyboard to UK settings - but the @ button is showing " and vica-versa.. not sure what other foibles I'll find...
Somehow, I have managed to log-in to Google - for email - and this website, but as it all runs from the stick I bought for another PC, and puts all the files onto the stick, it doesn't read the hard drive where all my files are.
I guess I must first work-out how to get a browser... then how to access my hard-drive...
Firefox is supposed to be installed - and maybe Google Chrome? - But Firefox didn't seem to work immediately, and I don't think Chrome has installed yet?
The printer folder is there but doesn't start-up - yet. So I'll have a play with that in due course.
But I can talk to you!
I call that success!
Ken

 

[Richard Hed]

Hi Richard, I left the computer "ON" overnight so I wouldn't have to waste time re-starting Linux - 'till I get used to the thing... I tried to set the keyboard to UK settings - but the @ button is showing " and vica-versa.. not sure what other foibles I'll find...
Somehow, I have managed to log-in to Google - for email - and this website, but as it all runs from the stick I bought for another PC, and puts all the files onto the stick, it doesn't read the hard drive where all my files are.
I guess I must first work-out how to get a browser... then how to access my hard-drive...
Firefox is supposed to be installed - and maybe Google Chrome? - But Firefox didn't seem to work immediately, and I don't think Chrome has installed yet?
The printer folder is there but doesn't start-up - yet. So I'll have a play with that in due course.
But I can talk to you!
I call that success!
Ken

Yes, it is not msux, it operates differntly and you will need to read a bit to access all you files and stuff. it's a but intimidating at first but later you will get to navigate better.

 

[Steamchick]

I tried a rasberry pie once - but it seemed so limited and backward, I felt I was back in 1988 when we first got PCs at work (One between 20 engineers!). As I had 60+ hours work each week - and others had much less - they became PC literate and I fell behind... So maybe now I'll start to learn again - from scratch? - If it holds my interest long enough.
Thanks for support.
Ken

 

[Steamchick]

I'll have to try and get Linux onto my hard-drive - so I can use existing files. I can't seem to find a "file explorer" in Linux on my remote stick. I can't set-up the printer - for a lack of driver! - Linux won't read the printer's CD that is supposed to have Linux drivers included. So back to the hard-drive EmSox stuff for now.
K2

 

[Steamchick]

What is a dual boot? - And how do you set up the dual boot?
Ken

 

[ajoeiam]

You might wish to look into who the coders are for Linux CADs. I don't know who they are, but I thimpfk they might not know anything about drafting. I have used some of their stuff but it is very inferior. If you could find out who is doing the coding you also might give us a heads-up and we could send them a few $$. It is always a help, as these people who are doing the coding get very little for it. They usually hold day jobs. Also, you and we might try to tell them what we need. The way AutoDesk has developed their AutoCAD is by creating a drawing program 40 years ago and constantly adding to it. They tried to make AutoCAD into a Mechanical Desktop but it was a great failure. I know because I had to teach it and the students and I all knew it was crap in 2001. The other 3D programs started their stuff from the ground up and, frankly, they are far easier to use than 2D CAD. If you can find the coders, I would be glad to send them a few $$ myself--and that is a rarity. I do it because when it comes out it will be Open Source, that is, free. But like taxes, I am willing to pay some just not like msux, AutoDesk and others want. (In economics, it is well known: Drop the price, sell more, make MORE $$)

I'm a wondering about starting a new thread re: CAD on linux (and all the related whatevers).
Went looking and there doesn't seem to be a really good place to 'park' it.
Suggestions as to where would be gratefully acknowledged!!!

 

[Steamchick]

Can't suggest anywhere yet. I have given up on it!
Ken

 

[Richard Hed]

I'm a wondering about starting a new thread re: CAD on linux (and all the related whatevers).
Went looking and there doesn't seem to be a really good place to 'park' it.
Suggestions as to where would be gratefully acknowledged!!!

Previously we have had some discussions on Linux but I'm not sure abut Linux CADs. My experience with L CADs is that they; are pretty crappy and undeveloped. Wish they were better, I'd go over to them. Well, where to put it (sorting hat thimpfks). Why not see if there is enough interest. If there is interest, start a new thread. If not just try any thread that seems amenable to it. This particular thread explicityly states that you may say anything, something or nothing to everyone, someone or no-one (but be careful what you say, some ding-head might object for reasons unknown.)

 

[Richard Hed]

What is a dual boot? - And how do you set up the dual boot?
Ken

Dual boot is simply that you have two choices to boot up from: msux OR Linux as operating system. You can actually have MORE than two but there are only a few other obscure operating systems available now: IBM, Sun and one other that I can thimpfk of. I read that Linux users who refer to different brands of Linux as 'distros' ( I thimpfk it has to do with the word 'distribution' but not sure), like Ubuntu, Red Hat, Suse and a bundle of others, have a difficult time installing more than one Linux OS at a time, as they seem to fight each other and not recognize each other as different OS's. Maybe that has been resolved. I know a few people wish to test out the different distros for fun or for important reasons but the only way they can do that is by installing and uninstalling repeatedly. THAT gets tiresome just to test out the distro. I thimk I would try to have a couple old beater computers to make the installations on.

I don't know the circumstances of your thumb drive (we call them thumb drives) boot up system, usually, it is best to get the original discs in order for the installation to explore and check out the system being installed on so that it can properly configure the system, that is, drivers to various things. You do know? that you can go on line and download the free distros which will install it on your system? I've done that with Suse, but oddly, I preferred my previous version of Suse 9.2. Some times companys (especially msux) makes changes in order for the distro to LOOK different and so becomes irritating in that things are in different places but still do the same thing. This leads to BLOAT--unnecessarily large OS that doesn't do anything except spy on you. ( hope you cover your camera when not in use--not a joke!) As an interesting point, check out the size of msux OS and Linux OS--you find a HUGE difference, yet msux is virus vulnerable and Linux is not. Why is that?

I have LOTs more to say but in fear of boring you to death, I am going outside to light up a cig while filling my propane and gas tanks. Hope to see y'all in heaven or hell. Oh, yeah, and to make that morning cup'o JAVA!

 

[Richard Hed]

I tried a rasberry pie once - but it seemed so limited and backward, I felt I was back in 1988 when we first got PCs at work (One between 20 engineers!). As I had 60+ hours work each week - and others had much less - they became PC literate and I fell behind... So maybe now I'll start to learn again - from scratch? - If it holds my interest long enough.
Thanks for support.
Ken

Har har, that's funni. I got my first computer in 1978--a Radio Shack Tandy TRS-80. It was a lot of fun, and actually, a serious computer once one got the upgrade and all the peripherals. But in 1988 I bought my second computer, an Amiga, which, I believe is the best computer ever made up to 1995 approx. Yes, computers really cut down on the amount of time to do a job, no doubt about it. But then, the boss just piles on more work with less people so people are out of jobs and those who are left still do the 60. Cig and coffee time for me.

 

[Steamchick]

Computers save time? - Yes, in some ways, but the Time taken to knock-out a few hundred Inspection documents (1 set per vehicle launch) by pencil, paper, photocopy and hard graft was about 6 weeks for 6 people. But 20 years on with it all "computerised" it took - well, about 6 people 6 weeks... But the distribution took the instant of a computer, instead of 1 day of admin girl photo-copying, etc.... Maybe it's because that's how long it took for the thinking, research, etc. and the computer "time savings" were an insignificant part of it all? Users reckoned it was "easier" - but the later guys didn't have the expertise of the older guys in sketching, drawing, documenting, etc. whereas they had better skills in CAD - sectioning, dimensioning, etc. And we din't have to waste time chatting to the drawing store and print-room girls.... or whatever!
K

 

[Richard Hed]

Computers save time? - Yes, in some ways, but the Time taken to knock-out a few hundred Inspection documents (1 set per vehicle launch) by pencil, paper, photocopy and hard graft was about 6 weeks for 6 people. But 20 years on with it all "computerised" it took - well, about 6 people 6 weeks... But the distribution took the instant of a computer, instead of 1 day of admin girl photo-copying, etc.... Maybe it's because that's how long it took for the thinking, research, etc. and the computer "time savings" were an insignificant part of it all? Users reckoned it was "easier" - but the later guys didn't have the expertise of the older guys in sketching, drawing, documenting, etc. whereas they had better skills in CAD - sectioning, dimensioning, etc. And we din't have to waste time chatting to the drawing store and print-room girls.... or whatever!
K

That's only ONE instance of how computers did NOT actually save time and also, importantly, DID NOT put someone out of a job. So far, computers do not thimpfk, and humans are needed (thimpfking is "comparing" different visualizations, smells, tastes, feelings or sounds, or just sensations which computers can't do--at this time). The real heartbreaker about this is exactly as you said: you no longer have the time for a chat at the water bucket nor to flirt with the secretaries. But you are correct, in this instance, computers cannot check those documents. Someday they WILL! In the corn harvest, I was talking with a lady about our harvesting jobs. I claimed that we will be out of a job in less than 20 years because the machines will all be computerized and will not need us--a mechanic to fix them when they breaK (but even that will eventually be robotized)--She argued vehemently that it will not happen. I didn't laugh. She failed to recognize that GPS is already installed in the machines and can harvest and plant in a straight line, recording those lines and some machines even have automatic adjustments in picking attachments to go down the rows properly! 20 years? probably 10.

HOwever, for MOST things, computers do speed things up immensely.

 

[reichpaul630]

I'm a wondering about starting a new thread re: CAD on linux (and all the related whatevers).
Went looking and there doesn't seem to be a really good place to 'park' it.
Suggestions as to where would be gratefully acknowledged!!!

i'd second starting a new thread specific to linux CAD. i've been using linux in various flavors since 1993. it's come a long way, baby
having an "alternative platform" that can run open-source (free) CAD/CAM software would be quite useful...

paulr

 

[Steamchick]

Too true... 1950s and 60s science fiction writers didn't predict half of it! Progress accelerates progress...
K2

 

[Richard Hed]

i'd second starting a new thread specific to linux CAD. i've been using linux in various flavors since 1993. it's come a long way, baby
having an "alternative platform" that can run open-source (free) CAD/CAM software would be quite useful...

paulr

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That's good. I like Linux a lot more than msux, so yes, I thimpfk a separate thread would be fine as long there is interest, which I thimpfk there is. I will be a reader and contributor.

 

[Richard Hed]

Too true... 1950s and 60s science fiction writers didn't predict half of it! Progress accelerates progress...
K2

I was just watching a vid where the narator was talking about a certain book predicting almost exactly what is happeing today: stand on zanzibar-- I couldn't find if for sale but I did find in on a free book download site. Stand on Zanzibar | John Brunner | download

 

[Steamchick]

Just finished Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath". Similar pressure all over Africa and Europe with migrants coming North in their thousands. - They don't care how they put pressure on the fragile economies that they move to, because the pressure to escape where they are is so great. We've already had a few decades of Eastern migrants moving west. "Times they are a'changing"? - Big trouble ahead I'm afraid.
K2

 

[Steamchick]

Wrong - it was "Grapes of Wrath"! - The one about migrant workers and poverty. - Not a pretty story.
K2

 

[Richard Hed]

Wrong - it was "Grapes of Wrath"! - The one about migrant workers and poverty. - Not a pretty story.
K2

I read it along with a lot of other Steinbeck stuff.

 

[Richard Hed]

Hey guys, have you seen Jeremy Fielding's vids? You might be interested in his utub stuff. I am watching his vid on treadmill scrapping. I got a treadmill motor, but failed to know tha tI should have gotten the electronics too.