Dial Indicators, the cleaning & lubrication of same

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Kludge -

Oh boy, my first post on this forum - and I can contribute something. This semester, I'm an "assistant" at the local junior college machining class (all of the advanced classes were canceled) and in cleaning up the back room we found about a dozen bashed and broken dial indicators. I pulled them out of the trash and volunteered to try to fix them, as I did camera repair in a former life. Only one couldn't be brought back and it's now saved for parts.

If you can repair a watch, a dial indicator will be simple. The photo by rake60 answers most of the "what's in there" questions. Now the trick is how to get "in there".

Start with the back to get it looking like the photo, it's three or four screws and your inside.

Then remove the bezel and there are several ways they are held on: a- set screws around the outside; b- a wire spring that fits in a groove in the bezel and body (look for one hole where you can push the spring down and move the bezel out); c- a spring (or two) opposite a retainer tab that sits at about the 7 o'clock position in the photo (it's on the back of the face and near the wall of the case - loosen the screw and slide the tab away from the bezel); d- the two piece bezel with an interference fit (gently pry the outer ring and crystal away from the inner ring).

To remove the "works" there are usually three screws under the dial faceplate that will hold the guts to the frame. These also allow you to rotate the works and set the clearance between the rack (shaft) and pinion gear. On some indicators there will be two screws at (about the 1 and 7 o'clock positions) that hold the guts in - this will be obvious when you remove the back.

There is an extension spring from a pin on the rack/shaft to the bottom of the case. This pin rides in a guide plate and is usually threaded into the shaft. If you can remove the pin, it allows the shaft to be removed from the body and makes cleaning crud from the shaft a lot easier.

As for tension on the backlash hairspring - I ran the pinion gear until the thousandths and turns count hands are in sync. This puts enough tension on the gear train to take out backlash and make every thing "look right". On a 1 inch indicator there seems to always be about a half revolution of "extra" travel, so I set the thousandths hand at about the 9 o'clock position at rest.

You know about lubing gear trains, so I won't go there. The big problem I found on most of the indicators I looked at was too much oil. I guess it's the "if a little is good, too much must be better" philosophy.

Have fun and I hope this has been helpful.

Glenn
 
Nice description Glen, pity you weren't doing it with a camera at hand, you MIGHT have got a holiday in Hawaii, :big: I "Won" all my dial indicators from the scrap pile at an engineering company I worked at, lots of drills too, that's until I taught them how to sharpen them. NB. get yer own drawers lined BEFORE you teach repair/reclamation techniques.
 
Glenn, I have to agree with CC; that is an absolutely beautiful description. It's the kind someone who's been there would do for someone headed in rather than a textbook version written by someone from notes made at progress meetings to satisfy some vague in-house manuscript requirements then edited by someone else who hasn't had a clue since Noah was a cabinboy. (Now Asian translations are providing an equal level of confusion.) Of course, the fact that it is from someone who's been there and for someone heading in might have some bearing on that. :)

Mahalo nui loa!!!!! :bow: :bow: :bow:

I don't know about a Hawaiian vacation, CC. Heck, I can't afford one and I live here! I'll think of something cool, though.

Glenn, you've made quite an impression right off with your first post. As to your ID "oldguy" ... most of us are, some are just a little more successful at hiding it than others. You might want to wander over to the Welcome area and tell us about yourself - the nitty and the gritty and anything in between.

Again, many, many thanks!

Best regards,

Kludge
 
Okay, I finally got to open up the DI ... and closed it up again rather quickly. There's a broken pinion (1-1/2 teeth missing) and the rack on the plunger's damaged, probably as a result. The parts aren't inside anywhere so someone's already opened it up to take a look.

This has become a project for another day when I don't have a bunch of stuff on deck to take care of. *sigh* ... drat and other bad words!

BEst regards,

Kludge
 
Kludge,

Hawaiian vacation - Hotel street ring a bell ??? ??? ???

Regards
Bob
 
Maryak said:
Hawaiian vacation - Hotel street ring a bell

Oh, yeah. Hotel Street, in particular the area near where it intersected with Fort Street. Before the clean up in the 70s, it was the Shore Patrol's favorite place because they'd not lack for business. They said you could get anything you want on Hotel Street ... and they were right. You could also get a lot of things you didn't want there (including dead) but no one bothered to mention that part. The businesses along Hotel Street loved sailors - often by the hour or portion thereof.

But then, it got cleaned up and civilized after a few incidents the cops couldn't avoid noticing. Fort Street is now a mall of sorts and the general appearance has kind of settled down. Chinatown has absorbed Hotel Street in its usual downbeat way and ... well, you can still get anything you want on Hotel Street - especially around the area of the Fort Street Mall. It's just not quite so obvious.

BEst regards,

Kludge
 
Kludge,

Thanks for the update on a memorable part of town ;D

I was once the duty officer for foreign sailors in the US shore patrol. Arrived at the post, to be greeted by a huge, (and I mean HUGE marine sergeant, he had more stripes on his arm and medals on his chest than the whole Ozzie SAS). He looks me up and down and says "Got the duty have we sir?"

"Yes sergeant," I replied. He then raised himself to his full height of 6ft and umpteen inches, glared at me and said, "DON'T CALL ME SERGEANT, YOU CAN CALL ME GUNNY" After a clean set of underwear, I asked "What would you like me to do GUNNY?" Again that hell freezes over look followed by, "If I was you SIR, I'd piss off back to my ship and I'll call you if I need you."

Pissed off back to my ship and never heard from him again. But it sure left a lasting impression. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Best Regards
Bob :D
 
Kludge said:
I remember one "hotshot" who decided 3-in-1 would be good for what ailed a DI in a hanger I worked in. He all but poured it in the mechanism after taking the cover off. It never worked right again.

BEst regards,

Kludge

I bought a fob watch (very cheap) made in the 1880s or 1890s that someone had 'fixed' with 3 in 1 oil.
Two and a bit years later it is still in the watch makers hops. Within the first week it was all but fixed until it went into the ukstrasonic cleaner which found the rust that had been caused by the oil helping mooisture to collect.
The newly machined regulator is nearly finished now. Flooded oil and fine mechanisms just doesn't mix.
 
tmuir said:
I bought a fob watch (very cheap) made in the 1880s or 1890s that someone had 'fixed' with 3 in 1 oil.

Pre-turn of the century version of my favorite pocket watch, a dollar watch. These were the pocket watch equivalent of a Timex - rugged but cheap watches that most just replaced rather than repaired because it was less expensive. No one else seems to like to work with them which means I have Timex movements and parts aplenty and a few dollar watches I was able to rescue.

Okay, enough of that ...

Flooded oil and fine mechanisms just doesn't mix.

Like the Brylcreem ads said, "A little dab'll do ya". A little pointy thing (aka: watch oiler) and a delicate touch with the proper lubricant is all that's needed. That's one of many times my left hand is bracing my right to prevent the shakes from doing anything bad.

Also, as you noted, the wrong oil isn't a real good idea either.

BEst regards

Kludge
 
Yes I have the correct oil and tools for a applying microscopic drops of oils to watches but I've only dabbled (and not for a while) in watch repair. ANything that is valuable to me I leave to the professionals.
What I found interesting is the guy who is fixing my watch in Australia regularly gets sent watches from the UK as he seems to be one of the few people with the actual skill to machine replacement parts for watches and clocks.

Its a terrible shame and I wonder who will be left to fix old watches in another 50 years.
 

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