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This isn't an engine build, but an add on for certain types of engines. Namely flame lickers and sterlings, which usually rely on a spirit burner for their heat source.

For over a couple of years now I have been wanting to make some mini gas burners, and I purchased the plans off Jerry Howell when he was still with us. Luckily, his family has taken over retailing Jerry's plans, and if you want to make one (or a few) of these, the plans for the burner can be purchased here.


I was talking to friend on Skype and mentioned about the burners, and he instantly piped in that he had seen an exhibitor at a show in the US running a couple of his engines with them, and when questioned about them, he said they were the best thing since sliced bread. My friend is now in the process of making one for himself after buying the jet from the above address.

I will just say that during this build, I will be taking a few pics of the plans, to explain a few things, but I will be covering up as many dimensions as I can. The cost of the plans is peanuts, and I would recommend buying them, as they also contain plans for a small pressure regulator and a safety shut off valve.

I am not able to do large articles like I once did, so this might stop and start a bit, as and when I feel I can do a little more.

So this is basically what they look like, About 3/8" diameter for the stack, and about 1.5" tall (without the base). I won't be making bases for mine as they will be incorporated into the engine itself. So I will have a stock of the burners, and make the fittings to fit when needed. The bases are only a screw on item anyway.



As you can see from the above pic, the main tube is a venturi, this is to speed up the gas coming from the jet to give an efficient burn at the top of the stack. On the notes that come with the plans, it is well explained.
The first thing I do when starting a project like this is to make up any special cutting bits that will be needed. So, as you can see, I have sketched up the d-bit forms that I will require.
I am not going into detail about d-bits as it has already been covered many times. But I will say that this sketch was modified on the run to include cutting the recess for the gauze at the top of the stack.



Five minutes on the offhand grinder with a bit of tool steel and a radius gauge had the form tool made for cutting the d-bit shape. This shot shows it doing it.



I then made the second d-bit, and then both were halved (plus a couple of thou dressing allowance) on the mill.



After hardening (I don't temper small tools such as this), and sharpening on an oil stone, this is what they look like.



A few of the stack blanks machined to length. These were spot drilled, and then relief drilled equally from each end for the d-bit guidance. This was to ensure that things stayed on the straight and narrow as the d-bits did their job.



This is the curved gas entry end.



And where the flame will be. You will notice that the d-bit has also formed the recess in the end for the stainless steel gauze diffuser to sit into. This bit needs a little more work doing on it before being finished, mainly the bore needs to have a little polishing done.



As I have already said, this has been in the pipeline for a long time now, but I am only just getting things together. These are some of the items I require for my assault on these burners. You might say that I have purchased too much, but in fact, if you can buy in bulk, it works out a lot cheaper. A good example are the o-rings. If bought individually they work out expensive. For the price of 20 from a normal supplier, I got 101 o-rings for a cheaper inclusive price from a main distributor.
I will be using 8BA thread for the jets, and those plated brass screws are what I will be working with. I have ordered some 2-56 ones from the US, but they haven't shown up yet.
On Jerry's site, it states that the jets are in limited supply, so if things turn out well with the drilling, I might be able to give some sort of backup if ever they become scarce.



The jets do require a very fine hole in them, no compromise here, the wrong sized hole, forget it. The burner just won't work right.
I thought I would show you what one of these drills looks like. On the left is a normal 1/16th drill bit and on the right a 1/32" one.
Methinks most people won't have the facilities to run drills of this size, so I would suggest buying the jets instead. For the amount of work and facilities that are required to make them yourself in small quantities it is a no brainer exercise.
I still don't know whether I can drill them with the equipment I have, only time will tell. So I might be going to buy ones for mine.


Now a bit of a saga that sometimes things just don't go right.

I made the curved d-bit out of a little leftover stub of silver steel, and the long tapered one out of a new bar. Both were hardened by the same process at the same time.
The little curved one cuts a dream, and all the stacks I am making were cut just fine. After cutting the first one with the tapered bit, then attempting to cut the second, the bit just twisted up. I put the bend in it, just to show that it is still soft. I had forgotten to do a file test for checking the hardness after heat treating (complacency) and I now suspect someone has slipped in a length of something that isn't water hardening silver steel when I ordered off the net. I will have to wait now until monday before I can go to my normal supplier to get something that I know will work.



 
That is the smallest drill I've ever seen. I'd be afraid to even touch it. Very interesting as are all your informative posts. Thanks for bringing us your great Ideas as they transform.

Thanks,

Matt
 
Good to see you in the shop as I thoroughly enjoy following your posts, so much to learn from them.

Ray
 
Matt,

Not the smallest that are commercially available, but very close.

I bought these part used ones from the US, solid carbide, they are used for military contracts, and are changed well before they are worn out. For what I will be doing with them, they are perfect. I do have a few of my own HSS ones, they are a little more forgiving, as they can bend a little during use, whereas the carbide will break at any slight deviation.

They are not cheap by any means, but they work out at 1/6th the cost of buying new in the UK, even including mailing costs. About 4 bucks apiece in the UK.
But if you do break them, the carbide shanks make great scribers. The only problem is, you can only use so many scribers at any one time.



Ref1ection,

As I have stated, things have changed dramatically over the last few months so I can't plan on anything, even day to day, when I can, I will, when I can't, I won't.


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This is very timely, John. I ordered the prints and a jet just a day ago, and here is a new article, right on time!

I wonder if pilot light jets would work? They come in different jet sizes, of course, but they are readily available at heating and air conditioning supply houses. I may have to check in with our local heating place. I can see wanting more than one of these little burners.

Dean
 
Hi John

I'll drop you off some 3/8 silver steel this morning.

Stew
 
Dean,

I can almost guarantee that jets with the same size hole are available, I know, I used to use them when making steam engine boilers and gas plants, just as I could almost guarantee you wouldn't be able to physically fit them into this burner.

Wait until you get your bits, then make the decision. Don't sneeze though, Jerry's jets are tiny.

Thanks Stew, have sent you an email.

John
 
Blogs, watching this with interest. I just drilled the smallest hole I ever have in my oil cup for latest project - that was number 60, or 0.040". Did it in the harrison, usual chucks at max speed of 720rpm which it rarely gets to, had to drill about 1/4" deep - scary for me! It is double the size it's meant to be so will let a lot mroe oil through than intended! I do have a couple of smaller drills somewhere that have remained in the little plastic bag, they came in since purchase!

Nice D bits.

Nick
 
Nick,

If 0.040" scares you, methinks new trousers are in order when you come to drill one this size.


Dean,

Just to show you what I am on about, I have just been out to the shop and taken this shot.

Bunsen12.jpg


The left hand one is a standard gas jet for a propane burner, and the 8BA screw is what the jets will eventually be made from. After the threads have been reduced by half in length and the head turned down a little both in diameter and thickness.

As Jerry didn't or doesn't supply the dimensions for a one piece jet to make yourself, only one for a composite build using a watch jewel for the jet orifice, I have come up with my own, which I think is very close to the ones supplied. Plus it will also have a sealing washer, most probably made from PTFE sheet.

Bunsen13.jpg


Anyway, this is jumping the gun a bit, these items are not for making yet, but sometime in the near future, after all the other bits are made. Then maybe I can give a bit more insight into how I get on with drilling the holes.


John
 
Something else that will work if someone doesn't have the means to drill the small hole is capillary tube. http://www.smallparts.com/ in the states has a size that is .062" OD and .005" ID. This is what I used when building one of Jerry's burners and it has been working OK. gary
 
I have an idea :idea: Since the jet is kept cool you could drill a bigger hole, fill it with soft solder and then drill the solder. Just an idea :hDe:
 
John the burner works very good. For my needs it is used only on about the smallest flame that can get. Even with the 10-80 thread on the needle valve it is a little ticklish getting setting right. Gary
 
Thanks for the info Gary. It is always good to have someone in the background who has already made one, just to point the way a little when we stray.

I don't think I have anything in my tap & die selection that will give me such a fine thread, and I don't fancy trying to machine cut one, so I will be using something in the BA range, and use the regulator to get the can pressure down some, to a more controllable level. Also the needle in the plans does look somewhat stocky, a much finer needle should give a smoother control. I have already redesigned the control valve in my head to make it easier to get it to seal better, so it is only a slight angle mod to have a much finer needle to overcome problems that people may have if they don't use a regulator in the line.

I am trying to make these into a UK version that uses the BA system, as the US UNC/UNF over here are much more difficult to obtain in the smaller sizes at reasonable cost.

The mods that I do shouldn't affect the overall build though, as people can use the threads that they are most comfortable with, and build as per plans if they do have the correct screwcutting equipment.
If people have to go out of their way to buy specialist tooling to get a working burner, the high costs can take the edge off the overall project and make it uneconomical to have a go. Whereas if I can show how easily and cheaply the main parts are produced, I think that will be plenty good enough to give them the confidence to have a go themselves.

People shouldn't take any notice of the quantities I buy and build in. Later, when things improve for me, my workshop, again, will be turned into a small production facility, as it was until the middle of last year, so anything I have in stock will be used somewhere or other. If the plans call for one o-ring, then just buy one.

Just a note to Noitoen.

With drills of this size, I don't think that the material makes much difference. It is the feeds and speeds plus swarf clearance that controls whether the drill will break or not. I have had great trouble before now drilling small holes into Delrin, but on the other hand, I have also successfully put a 0.010" hole thru a 1/8" stainless ball bearing, with no drill breakages. Sometimes machining can come up with all sorts of little surprises you never thought would happen.

Blogs
 
Glad you are back in the shop Blogs.

Now I can add some more to my knowledge base. ;D

Andy
 
John, thanks for the shot for a size comparison of the jet and the small screw.
Also, thanks for putting the parts in that pic up against a Yankee ruler, so people like myself can get a good eye for the size!

Same goes for the C-o-C (and I know what that means!) done up in thous.
Looking at that, it appears to be completely do-able, once one has the right sized bit or wire gage for making the orifice hole. This looks like a good job for a WW lathe.

Gary, the capillary tube sounds like an excellent idea! Thanks.

Dean
 
Deanofid said:
capillary tube sounds like an excellent idea!

Small syringe needles these days are also very thin, maybe easier to find. ;)
 
Andy,

I will do my best, but I can't promise anything. If you need anything desperately, by now you should know what times I am prowling about on Skype.

Dean,

I know how fond you lads to the west of us are about the metric system, so I thought I would confuse a few of the UK lads this time. The problem being, the UK machinists most probably work in both anyway.

That tip from Gary really does make this little project 'do-able' for most people. But if it was me, I would make a few jets up like the drawing, with the tube 'stuck' in the jet. The hole is rather small, and would be prone to blockage, and having a couple of spares to swap in the case of emergency would be a good thing. Then you could unblock the jet at your leisure, not when you have an audience.

To a new person looking at the plans for the first time, they would soon be put off. But if broken down into the component stages, it is fairly easy to do, you have just to get your head around working in the smaller sizes and tolerances, most of which can be achieved with hand finishing, a bit of emery around a flat stick.

Blogs
 
Hi Blogs,
Could one use the jets from the small camping stoves?
Regards,
Gerald.
 
Gerald,

The picture of the brass jet that I did above is off a propane burner, so it would be very similar to a camping stove, maybe just a different shaped package and thread.

You need to remember that these burners are small and are not capable of having a large jet fitted due to the physical size, the screw that is shown is about the largest that will fit in the available space.

So it is either 2-56, 8BA or even 2mm thread that needs to be in there.


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