Rich, I think the reasons I decided to post this slightly odd thread was that I found it frustrating to find much information on pattern making that I could relate to. Dont get me wrong there is a ton of good information available out there but most of it is related to commercial foundries and other than with aluminum make your pattern 2% bigger than you need and provide adequate draft most of the examples shown, I think because of the diversity of patterns, are pretty general . So if one person can take away something from this I am very happy. Thank you.