Ban on small engines in California

[davidyat]

God is always in charge and the earth and everything in it belong to God. No such thing as mother nature.
Man cannot do any thing to catastrophically effect the planet to the degree the sky is falling nay sayers say.
The Bible tells us that when mans sin is so bad that God decides to destroy the earth, that it will be destroyed by fiery apocalypse. Nothing will happen until then.

Ron

How do you know Mother Nature isn't God? From a book written by human men?

 

[vederstein]

I'm glad I stopped posting on this thread...

(****!! I did it again!!!)

...Ved.

 

[ozzie46]

How do you know Mother Nature isn't God? From a book written by human men?

Bible was written by men under the unction of the Holy Spirit not on their own initiative. If you had studied the Bible you would know that

Several scientist and atheist set out to prove the Bible fiction but came to the realization that it was FACT.

Ron

 

[L98fiero]

God is always in charge and the earth and everything in it belong to God. No such thing as mother nature.
Man cannot do any thing to catastrophically effect the planet to the degree the sky is falling nay sayers say.
The Bible tells us that when mans sin is so bad that God decides to destroy the earth, that it will be destroyed by fiery apocalypse. Nothing will happen until then.

Ron

If you go back you'll read in one of my posts I said this should be stopped because the opinions are a combination of politics and religion, congratulations, you've now brought religion into it too! And NO, the bible isn't fact apart from locations of cities and the like, NONE of the religion in it can be proven more than it's an 'abridged' version of several Mesopotamian religions.

 

[Richard Hed]

If you go back you'll read in one of my posts I said this should be stopped because the opinions are a combination of politics and religion, congratulations, you've now brought religion into it too! And NO, the bible isn't fact apart from locations of cities and the like, NONE of the religion in it can be proven more than it's an 'abridged' version of several Mesopotamian religions.

When I was a youngster (last week), my mother told us never to discuss ***, politics or religion. Of course, being an American Brat we found those were the only fun things worth discussing (besides electronics, nuclear physics, calculus, cosmology, anthropology, astronomy, chemistry, books--particularly ****, and machining). I added drugs to that list which some may wish to view as a substitute for all the rest, esp. ***.

In actuality, I love discussing religion--key word here: discussing. Just like the lgbqt stuff--I don't like religion being shoved down my throat or stuffed up my children's a$$ at school. I have a very religious friend at work with whom I can discuss religion without either of us getting upset or insisting that 'our' beliefs are the only true beliefs. (I mean come on, who here doesn't believe the true godz are Wotan, Thor and Freya?) If you want to read a mostly speculative book about history since and including Moses, you might wish to pick up the book "
The Secret Society of Moses: The Mosaic Bloodline and a Conspiracy Spanning Three Millennia
by Flavio Barbiero".

This is not a book on religion, it is a book on HISTORY, really, it's speculative history, as the author is a former Admiral in the Italian Navy. He has speculated all the way from the Children of Moses to the present day with good historical reasoning. It is a shocking speculation that rings with at least SOME truth to it. I however, disagree with the author on the origins of Moses himself. It is my personal beliefe that Moses was the great grandson (or thereabouts) of Akhenaton which would have put Moses as Pharoah NOT Rameses. This is the origin of their argument. Moses was trying to get what he thot was rightfully his, while Rameses was basically a sitting Pharoah, and what sitting Pharoah is ever going to give up his kingdom without a fight? Interesting as this is, I thimpfk it is really a subject I would like to discuss on another forum. However, that other forum is likely to be a religiouis forum and I have no interest in religious forums as they are most likely to take a christian view and SHOVE it up ur . . . I mean, down ur throat!

 

[Steamchick]

I seem to be missing the Engineering and Machining here...? More like Phylosophy...? (or is that the history of Philistines?).
I'll go and calculate some engine pulley sizes for a generator.....
K2

 

[Richard Hed]

I seem to be missing the Engineering and Machining here...? More like Phylosophy...? (or is that the history of Philistines?).
I'll go and calculate some engine pulley sizes for a generator.....
K2

You're no fun. I was thimpfking of the pyramids and how everyone has obviously missed the fact that they are giant steam engines that broke down and no longer work. Or did I fail to explain that?

BTW, I am trying to draw up a 6" rotary table and I have come up against two problems: 1), the bearing. I have seen one home made, a four inch, I thimpfk someone's on this forum, which was pressed into the top plate of the rotary table. I'm thimpfking that this should have a lower lip to stop the bearing from moving. Does anyone have any advice?

2). This part actualy has two parts in itself. The gear and the screw that runs the gear need to be closely matched. I thimpfk that the screw should be either 10 TPI or 8. I'm leaning toward 8 but am very willing to listen to other advice. Then the number to teeth on the gear need to be carefully cut to match the screw. Having kept up with other people's builds, I'm thimpfking that 90 teeth schould be cut. My problem (one of many) is that I'm sure there is an exact formulation for the size of the two parts, that is, the screw and the gear. I'm thimpfking that if I call the gear radius to the middle of the tooth, where the average force is applied, I'll call that R; and the radius of the screw, again to the middle of the screw thread where the average force is and call that r, then I should be able to eventually come up with an exact formulation for the sizes of the gear and the screw. Anybody got advice? Is this the wrong place to ask? Is there a ban of home made small rotary tables in California?

 

[Steamchick]

I AM sure that has crossed wires with time? It is fairly well known that the Egyptians used condensing steam "atmospheric" engines to operate doors to the temples.... the real first motive steam engines! But the pyramids (according to my grand-father's studies) were geometrically aligned to certain stars so the souls of pharaohs could be transmitted back to the god's home... (Valhalla in a modern distortion by the Vikings).
Any suggestion that the pyramids are ancient boilers misses the fact that the Welsh had not begun exporting good steam coal back then!
But they did have plenty of dried camel dung... the precursor of tobacco.
Have another puff... it is inspiring!
K2

 

[Richard Hed]

I AM sure that has crossed wires with time? It is fairly well known that the Egyptians used condensing steam "atmospheric" engines to operate doors to the temples.... the real first motive steam engines! But the pyramids (according to my grand-father's studies) were geometrically aligned to certain stars so the souls of pharaohs could be transmitted back to the god's home... (Valhalla in a modern distortion by the Vikings).
Any suggestion that the pyramids are ancient boilers misses the fact that the Welsh had not begun exporting good steam coal back then!
But they did have plenty of dried camel dung... the precursor of tobacco.
Have another puff... it is inspiring!
K2

Har har, that is good! Have any ideas about the gear/screw problem?

PS. I didn't know Newcastle was in Wales.

 

[Steamchick]

In the 70s I wore the gear, but in the 60s my Grandfather taught me to screw.... (On his watchmaker's lathe of course).
K2

 

[ozzie46]

Perfect example of living in a fallen world.
Ron

 

[Steamchick]

PS. I didn't know Newcastle was in Wales.

Hi Richard, closer than you think?
Richard Trevethick (That forgotten Cornishman - the Steam Locomotive pioneer!)
Trevithick was immersed in mining and engineering from an early age. He was an early pioneer of steam-powered road and rail transport, and his most significant contributions were the development of the first high-pressure steam engine and the first working railway steam locomotive.[2] The world's first locomotive-hauled railway journey took place on 21 February 1804, when Trevithick's unnamed steam locomotive hauled a train along the tramway of the Penydarren Ironworks, in Merthyr Tydfil, Wales.[3][4]
(Incidentally, this was where the best Steam Coal was mined).

"Pen-y-Darren" locomotive

Trevithick's 1804 locomotive. This full-scale reconstruction is in the National Waterfront Museum, Swansea.
In 1802 Trevithick built one of his high-pressure steam engines to drive a hammer at the Pen-y-Darren Ironworks in Merthyr Tydfil, Mid Glamorgan. With the assistance of Rees Jones, an employee of the iron works and under the supervision of Samuel Homfray, the proprietor, he mounted the engine on wheels and turned it into a locomotive. In 1803, Trevithick sold the patents for his locomotives to Samuel Homfray.
Trevithick's steam locomotive could haul ten tons of iron along the Merthyr Tydfil Tramroad from Penydarren (51°45′03″N 3°22′33″W) to Abercynon (51°38′44″N 3°19′27″W), a distance of 9.75 miles (15.69 km). Amid great interest from the public, on 21 February 1804 it successfully carried 10 tons of iron, 5 wagons and 70 men the full distance in 4 hours and 5 minutes, an average speed of approximately 2.4 mph (3.9 km/h).[21]

"Newcastle" locomotive
Christopher Blackett, proprietor of the Wylam colliery near Newcastle, heard of the success in Wales and wrote to Trevithick asking for locomotive designs. These were sent to John Whitfield at Gateshead, Trevithick's agent, who in 1804 built what was probably the first locomotive to have flanged wheels.[26]
Ten years later: 1814, George Stephenson built about 16 locos for Newcastle mine coal hauling, then a decade further on George and son Robert Stevenson built the first passenger hauling railway from Stockton to Darlington. (I am a direct descendant of Robert Chicken who was a loco Engine-man (driver) on that line, following his father who worked for George at the Engine works in North Shields, having come from the next village to George, as an engine man at various coal pits at the same time as George... My Chicken family line ran along the same lines that Robert Stephenson built to London, then Swindon, and on to Liverpool and North Wales...
But while we remember the names of the great "Engines" that drove industry, there were thousands of "coal trucks and rails" that carried the loads behind them...
K2

 

[maybach_man]

just watched the video of Bidens 30 car convoy leaving COP26 and getting loaded onto 2 C5 Galaxy,s and support aircraft. and then him getting into Airforce 1 to fly back to the States, followed by 400 private jets carrying Bezos, Gates and co..... don't think i'm going to be worrying about the environment anytime soon.....

 

[davidyat]

ozzie46, since you're a Bible thumper, something for you to think about. Take a seed and put it on a table. You can do anything to it except put water on it. Pretty much just sits there. Put water on it and it sprouts. Most people consider this to be life. Is it possible, water is God? According to your Bible, we are made in the image of God. We are about 80% WATER. You go on a long trip, you make sure your canteen is full of WATER. What's the first thing we are looking for on Mars, WATER. No water, no life. Make up your own mind.

 

[ozzie46]

Will happen in Gods time not ours.

Oh and thanks for the Bible thumper compliment.

 

[davidyat]

You're welcome. Ya gotta love living in the USA where you can believe whatever you want to.

 

[mcostello]

As opposed to living elsewhere where You believe what You are told? Not that "They" are not trying to do that here.

 

[skyline1]

just watched the video of Bidens 30 car convoy leaving COP26 and getting loaded onto 2 C5 Galaxy,s and support aircraft. and then him getting into Airforce 1 to fly back to the States, followed by 400 private jets carrying Bezos, Gates and co.....

Sounds about par for the course and after this vast expulsion of CO2 laden hot air, both metaphorically and it seems, quite literally, have we made any real progress on a problem which may be mainly beyond the control of mankind anyway.

Make your own minds up but personally I think very little. We have merely given rise to more like this bizarre California decision on small engines and the U.Ks idea of banning the sale of new Diesel and Petrol cars entirely within 10 years.

"it'll never get off the ground" used to be the derisory expression, in a few years time nor will anything else !

O.K. Rant over I'm off to machine a drive shaft for a recycling shredder, something that might actually do some good in a tiny way, unlike Messrs, Johnson, Biden and Co

Best Regards Mark

 

[Peter Twissell]

Caution - politics ahead...

It is my opinion that while the majority of the world remains capitalist, we will never do what we need to do to limit the effects of our excessive consumption.
All the 'solutions' offered by our illustrious leaders involve more and more consumption, all of which makes profit, which is the single motive behind capitalism.
I don't pretend to know what sort of political/economic system we need in order to address our consumption addiction, but it doesn't take much to see that capitalism is not the answer.
Pete.

 

[Ken I]

See the following video of the great economist Milton Friedman – made in 1978 but is as valid today as it was then. His point is that we cannot predict the future – we have habitually failed to do so in the past and that the price / market relationship will sort things out as it has always done in the past. Market forces not political interventionism (and its handmaiden coercion) is the only way forward.



It is startlingly prescient – do watch it

Right now we have Western governments playing merry hell with the energy market - punitive taxes - denial of licensing - denial of funding - consistent promises to destroy such businesses as soon as possible. Whilst squandering trillions on weather dependent energy which is non-dispatchable and a nett-destabilizer of the grid.
They are hurling hand grenades into a jigsaw puzzle while they have no idea how it all fits together and even less idea on how to put it back together again.
But they will blame it all on global warming and therefore we are to blame - and will simply double down on their policy failures until the glaringly obvious begins to drive the average joe to the poorhouse and they vote for the sensible party (currently there aren't any but I presume they will emerge sooner rather than later.) The coming Northern Hemisphere winter is going to be very hard on the poor.
Regards, Ken