1/2 inch by 11 thread bolt ????

[William May]

William


Is your UPT to Geo Thomas's design please? I'm having to unearth the mine to stamp the numbers on the Worden tool grinder. Apparently George had a hand in the machine design - or perhaps it was it the earlier Kennet?

Yes, it is a George Thomas design! I understand he did some simpler, commercial units earlier in his career, but I don't know enough to say which brands he designed for. The "Kennet" name rings a bell, but I can't say for sure. For me, the Pillartool is a genius design, and George Thomas was a truly exceptional engineer. I have his book on "Dividing and Graduating" as well. I am looking for his "General Workshop Practice" that he mentioned planning to put out, but I don't know if he ever got to it. But I am in Tucson, Arizona, and info here is pretty sparse. .

 

[goldstar31]

Sadly, George was too ill to produce both books . He did the Universal Pillar Tool and Dividing and Graduating as two books.

When George died, there was an effort from well known British associates, to complete the whole task.

Dr W.A. Bennett BDS( Dunelm) a classmate of my late wife Dr Christine Wennington Atkinson( nee Alder)
FRCS( Edin), BDS( Dunelm), Dip.Orth, FRCS( England), B.A.(OU), tool on the task to amalgamate what appeared in Model Engineer in the past which had not appeared in the earlier 2 books.
This cbecame his Model Engineers Workshop Manual. However, there were modifications and additions to the earlier two books and Bill created 'Workshop Techniques' which embodied the Mark2 Universal Pillar Tool( new castings) and Jim Batchelor's of Leeds modification so that the UPT and drill could go onto the saddle of a lathe. In this case, for the Myford Super7B PXF( which I have).

At present, the kits for most of the projects from George are sold by Hemingwaykits now owned by Kirk Burwell.

So, as best that I am able, brings you and other interested readers --- up to date.

So my kind regards

Norman

 

[William May]

So the book is available, as the "Model Engineer's Workshop Manual"? That is the correct title I should search for? Is it under George Thomas' name? or is it under some other authors, who compiled the work from George's notes?
IF this is all correct, I will begin my search for this book.

 

[goldstar31]

Both are under George's name but edited by Bill Bennett.
Hemingwaykits and RDG Tools had the Manual. I have 'both' books but can't help on the second book at this time.

HTH

Norman


Edit
-------Amazon has both listed

N

 

[William May]

Thank you very much!
I search a lot on ebay.uk, and will look there to see if someone has a copy for sale. I doubt I would find it on the U.S. Ebay, but I will look there as well. You never can tell.
BIll

 

[William May]

Both are under George's name but edited by Bill Bennett.
Hemingwaykits and RDG Tools had the Manual. I have 'both' books but can't help on the second book at this time.

HTH

Norman


Edit
-------Amazon has both listed

N

Just checked on Amazon. ! copy for $500 U.S. One of his other books for $125 U.S. and one other for $89 U.S. I guess I will keep looking.

 

[terryd]

Yes, it is a George Thomas design! I understand he did some simpler, commercial units earlier in his career, but I don't know enough to say which brands he designed for. The "Kennet" name rings a bell, but I can't say for sure. For me, the Pillartool is a genius design, and George Thomas was a truly exceptional engineer. I have his book on "Dividing and Graduating" as well. I am looking for his "General Workshop Practice" that he mentioned planning to put out, but I don't know if he ever got to it. But I am in Tucson, Arizona, and info here is pretty sparse. .

Hi William,

Re: "Model Engineer's Workshop Manual".

The book is still in print in the UK and the main publisher is called TEE Publishing. They will post to the USA I believe the cost of Postage is based on weight. Probably worth asking how much postage is The book costs £29.95 ($38.00 at the moment.

https://www.teepublishing.co.uk/books/in-your-workshop/model-engineers-workshop-manual/
His other book which describes the universal pillar tool among other projects is "Workshop Techniques" also still in print and available at the publisher above for £26.95 ($34.00). I have had both for many years and they are an excellent read - they are still the same price as I paid around 15 years ago. I just looked up the cost of a small parcel from the UK and it would be around $20.00 for both.

TerryD

 

[goldstar31]

I bought my original copy in 1992. It's virtually oil stained and 'tatty' so when I was at ' Ally Pally' again after my RAF Goldstar days at Hendon etc, I bough a new one


With my 'new' Myford, I'm still renewing bits after the sale of my old lathe. My really old mate- he's 94 still thinks that there is little today to compete.

So a pound a year for each book? Need I say more?

Norman

 

[William May]

Hi William,

Re: "Model Engineer's Workshop Manual".

The book is still in print in the UK and the main publisher is called TEE Publishing. They will post to the USA I believe the cost of Postage is based on weight. Probably worth asking how much postage is The book costs £29.95 ($38.00 at the moment.

https://www.teepublishing.co.uk/books/in-your-workshop/model-engineers-workshop-manual/
His other book which describes the universal pillar tool among other projects is "Workshop Techniques" also still in print and available at the publisher above for £26.95 ($34.00). I have had both for many years and they are an excellent read - they are still the same price as I paid around 15 years ago. I just looked up the cost of a small parcel from the UK and it would be around $20.00 for both.

TerryD

Thanks very much, Terry! I will be looking them up today!
I am a annoyed that the "global web" will only show results from the U.S. when a particular product is easily and widely available from the U.K. I notice this as a very common situation., and it irks me a LOT!

 

[RonW]

If you want to buy books on the web my go to is Aebooks.com . If they don't have it they seem to have contacts who do. Prices and postage from all over the world seem reasonable.
Some prices on amazon are absolutely outrageous and shipping is often more than the object.
Tee publishing are good at prompt delivery of new materials.
RonW

 

[terryd]

Thanks very much, Terry! I will be looking them up today!
I am a annoyed that the "global web" will only show results from the U.S. when a particular product is easily and widely available from the U.K. I notice this as a very common situation., and it irks me a LOT!

Hi William,

I ditched Google and most of the other common search engines due to lack of privacy and data collection. I now use DuckDuckGo and it is an excellent open-source search engine that claims not to collect data. Anyway, DuckDuckGo has a switch on its search page which allows me to choose UK sources only or international sources. There is also a drop-down list (small arrow head nest to switch so that you can choose All regions or individual countries, most useful - and it's free. Here's a part screenshot

Best regards

TerryD

 

[terryd]

If you want to buy books on the web my go to is Aebooks.com . If they don't have it they seem to have contacts who do. Prices and postage from all over the world seem reasonable.
Some prices on amazon are absolutely outrageous and shipping is often more than the object.
Tee publishing are good at prompt delivery of new materials.
RonW

Hi Ron,

I found only 1 on Abebooks.com and it was $494.00 +$15 delivery and it is used. A bit pricier than the $37.00 +$20 delivery New from the publishers in the UK,

Regards
TerryD

 

[terryd]

[/QUOTE]

If you want to buy books on the web my go to is Aebooks.com . If they don't have it they seem to have contacts who do. Prices and postage from all over the world seem reasonable.
Some prices on amazon are absolutely outrageous and shipping is often more than the object.
Tee publishing are good at prompt delivery of new materials.
RonW

Hi Ron,

I've used Abebooks almost since it began in the mid-90s. They act like Amazon Marketplace and don't have stocks of their own, just acting as a repository for other sellers.

Now for the really bad news, I just found out that they are now owned by Amazon. I became suspicious when I saw the same picture of a used book on both sites in the same setting so I did a bit of rooting around. Sad but true,

TerryD

 

[Richard Hed]

If you want to buy books on the web my go to is Aebooks.com . If they don't have it they seem to have contacts who do. Prices and postage from all over the world seem reasonable.
Some prices on amazon are absolutely outrageous and shipping is often more than the object.
Tee publishing are good at prompt delivery of new materials.
RonW

I NEVER use amazon as they simply are a middle man operation--they simply ARRANGE transactions and take a cut. to me, that is dishonest, it just raises the prices of items. I am not sure if you meant "ABEbooks" which is one of the places i go to. Also, Alibrisbooks and Powellsbooks. Powells is rather expensive but is goo to check prices. All of these guys are also middlemen but they are not gorillas like amazon. I hate the gorillas as the end of their game is absolute domination of the market and that ALWAYS leads to higher prices.

 

[Richard Hed]

Hi William,

I ditched Google and most of the other common search engines due to lack of privacy and data collection. I now use DuckDuckGo and it is an excellent open-source search engine that claims not to collect data. Anyway, DuckDuckGo has a switch on its search page which allows me to choose UK sources only or international sources. There is also a drop-down list (small arrow head nest to switch so that you can choose All regions or individual countries, most useful - and it's free. Here's a part screenshot

View attachment 117166

Best regards

TerryD

Yes, I use duckduck too. I used goggle back in 1995, as it was the best there was for about 6 months. But I got sick of their bragging that they got 600trillion hits in .57 seconds. Be real, 99% of those hits were the same 10 or 20 hits and you woujld have to spend something like 100 lifetimes without sleep eating or any other activity to search all those so called millions billions trillions of hits. I used to use Momma.com and it would come up with up to 600 hits without repeating any. They were really goo but then they remodelled or sold to someone else, I'm not sure what they did and it went downhill to ZERO. There are a couple engines that may be better than duckduk but I don't know what they are.

 

[Richard Hed]

Hi Ron,

I've used Abebooks almost since it began in the mid-90s. They act like Amazon Marketplace and don't have stocks of their own, just acting as a repository for other sellers.

Now for the really bad news, I just found out that they are now owned by Amazon. I became suspicious when I saw the same picture of a used book on both sites in the same setting so I did a bit of rooting around. Sad but true,

TerryD
[/QUOTE]
Oh, God, I am going to kill myself. That is how gorillas grow by sukking up the smaller companies and thus reducing competition. That really suks to find that out. Thanx for letting us know. I'm going to Alibris. Makes you wonder if our government knows the definition of "monopoly"

 

[William May]

If you want to buy books on the web my go to is Aebooks.com . If they don't have it they seem to have contacts who do. Prices and postage from all over the world seem reasonable.
Some prices on amazon are absolutely outrageous and shipping is often more than the object.
Tee publishing are good at prompt delivery of new materials.
RonW

I assume you meant "Abebooks". Yes, I use them a LOT. I like them because they are like a federation of small book stores, so they give the power of 3

Hi William,

I ditched Google and most of the other common search engines due to lack of privacy and data collection. I now use DuckDuckGo and it is an excellent open-source search engine that claims not to collect data. Anyway, DuckDuckGo has a switch on its search page which allows me to choose UK sources only or international sources. There is also a drop-down list (small arrow head nest to switch so that you can choose All regions or individual countries, most useful - and it's free. Here's a part screenshot

View attachment 117166

Best regards

TerryD

I had never heard of them, but I will give them a try the next time I am looking for something! Thanks!.

 

[terryd]

I assume you meant "Abebooks". Yes, I use them a LOT. I like them because they are like a federation of small book stores, so they give the power of 3

I had never heard of them, but I will give them a try the next time I am looking for something! Thanks!.

Hi William,

I don't know if you saw my earlier post but AbeBooks is now owned by Amazon. I prefer to deal with individual booksellers if I can find them. In the UK for my engineering titles and suchlike, I use places like TEE or Camden supplies. I even use eBay as there are independents on there as well. I bought a couple of the 'Workshop Techniques' from a seller off there which I couldn't find elsewhere and they were good prices and free delivery.

TerryD

 

[terryd]

[/QUOTE]
Oh, God, I am going to kill myself. That is how gorillas grow by sukking up the smaller companies and thus reducing competition. That really suks to find that out. Thanx for letting us know. I'm going to Alibris. Makes you wonder if our government knows the definition of "monopoly"
[/QUOTE]

Hi Richard

Don't do that, they're not worth it!!!

Be safe
TerryD

 

[William May]

Hi William,

I don't know if you saw my earlier post but AbeBooks is now owned by Amazon. I prefer to deal with individual booksellers if I can find them. In the UK for my engineering titles and suchlike, I use places like TEE or Camden supplies. I even use eBay as there are independents on there as well. I bought a couple of the 'Workshop Techniques' from a seller off there which I couldn't find elsewhere and they were good prices and free delivery.

TerryD

Well, I know it now. But even owned by Amazon, ABE gives smaller booksellers the muscle they need. ABE is still a good group to belong to, if you are a small bookstore. Anything that preserves the small bookstore is viewed by me as a friend. But I will now look for more independent sources as well.