Who's going to make one then?

[Omnimill]

http://www.rexresearch.com/griggs/griggs.htm

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw[/ame]



Badly narrated maybe and someone forgot electricity is fuel but - "Customers have bills from their local electric utility company showing a year on year decrease in bills equivalent to 30 per cent" ???

 

[Ken I]

The moment claims of more energy out than in are made, I switch off.

Snake Oil Salesman.

No serious engineer - amateur or professional - would ever make such a claim.

Ken

 

[Omnimill]

You didn't read the linked article did you?

"Griggs's gadget has been examined by a steady stream of investigators, both friendly and skeptical. So far, they have all gone away mystified. Unlike most 'over-unity' devices, however, you can buy and install a hydrosonic pump in your own home."

"Customers include the Atlanta Police Department, a fire station, a dry cleaning plant, and a gymnasium. Interestingly, the Hydrosonic pump was installed in the public buildings by the county engineer after evaluating the device. The buildings are using the device mainly for heating purposes, and they have been running for more than a year. The customers have bills from their local electric utility company showing a year on year decrease in bills equivalent to 30 per cent."

???

 

[Entropy455]

It seems that about once or twice a year there’s a perpetual motion claim. At best, it usually results in some short-term publicity for the inventor. At worst, it results in some very embarrassed and unhappy investors.

Over the past 5000 years of recorded history, there has yet to be a single instance where a machine was able to output more energy than it consumes. That’s why they are called the Laws of Thermodynamics, and not rules. It’s also why any professional Engineer who proposes perpetual motion, will be stripped of his license, and kicked out of the engineering community in disgrace.

 

[mu38&Bg#]

If you go to the hydrodynamics site, you'll see that they have found real applications for their pumps. There is no mention of over-unity or even water heating anywhere. I wonder how old that video is?

 

[JorgensenSteam]

I am selling a slightly used bridge in Brooklyn.

Yes I own it, honest..........

Anybody want to buy it?

But seriously, the item above is probably best categorized as a flash boiler, and if you were careful in how you controlled it, and perhaps used a variable speed drive to give it a close coupling with a varying heat load, then you could probably get a savings over a boiler that would run flat out all the time regardless of the load demand.

A carefully designed flash steam boiler without moving parts would certainly be more economical in the long run, since revolving motors do wear out, as would the revolving steam drum (the thing with holes in it).

Lightly loaded motors can have a power factor of 0.50 or less, and the power company will slap you with a big penalty operating something like that.
There are more factors to this thing that are presented in the video.

The claim of more energy produced than is input shows a total lack of understanding of the basic rules of physics, and that would be like saying that if you machine metal off of a piece, the piece actually gets heavier; which of course is absurd.

 

[mklotz]

Most physics departments at major universities have form letters which they use to answer any claims of over-unity achievement. You probably won't be surprised to hear that these letters aren't congratulatory.

If over-1 were possible, I don't think we'd have a stable universe. Over-1 generator configurations would occur naturally and, over billions of years, the universe would be flooded with the waste energy output of these devices. Very quickly the background temperature would rise too high to permit life to exist.

 

[tel]

I am selling a slightly used bridge in Brooklyn.

Yes I own it, honest..........

Anybody want to buy it?

Oi! I don't recall selling that to you!

P'raps that's the real cause of all this Global Warming Marv - all these people running their P M machines in secret, for fear of ridicule?

 

[Foozer]

If over-1 were possible, I don't think we'd have a stable universe. Over-1 generator configurations would occur naturally and, over billions of years, the universe would be flooded with the waste energy output of these devices. Very quickly the background temperature would rise too high to permit life to exist.

So every time he fires up his gizmo, the universe would have to expand to absorb the heat, but then the gizmo's observed output would be less, I'll just go with, it doesn't work. get 'nuff headache tying my shoes.

Robert

 

[tel]

;D They still make elastic sided boots y'know - thankfully!

 

[Ken I]

You didn't read the linked article did you?

No need to - I remain unimpressed by the number of persons duped as scientific proof.

As P.T. Barnum said - "there's one born every minute" (I suspect that figure has inflated some.)

I believe the US patent office will not accept anything that claims over unity efficiency - a perpetual motion machine.

Marv - impressed by your cosmos big picture logic.

Ken

 

[Metal Butcher]

I don't care what you guys say. I'm selling everything I own, moving into a cardboard box, and investing it all in this company!

I'll be laughing all the way to the bank! I'll be a billionaire, I tell you!

A BILLIONAIRE!

-MB

 

[Herbiev]

And I thought Bill Gates was on a winner. ;D

 

[Entropy455]

There’s big money to be made within the US Patent Office, for an Engineer who also has a Law degree. A big part of the patent office job is identifying (and rejecting) perpetual motion ideas.

Personally I would rather do self-dental work, then read just one paragraph from a law book. . . . .

 

[Entropy455]

Interesting tidbit - the US Patent Office has slipped up a few times and actually issued several patents over the years for perpetual motion machines. I believe Wikipedia has each of them them listed.

It’s a pretty big black-eye when it happens. . . .