Mystery steam engine

[Jasonb]

As the ports are mostlikely cored they eill not be perfectly even hence the odd numbers in my post above.

going by the image with the steel rule I would say they were aiming for 3/16 - 3/16 - 3/8 - 3/16 - 3/16 or 4.75 - 4.75 - 9.5 - 4.75 - 4.75 but ended up a bit big on the lower port.

 

[Steamchick]

This is where the talents of the engine builder came to the fore - making "special" valves based in the cored ports, not the drawing. Just by addition or subtraction of the errors on the casting c.f. drawing.
But without the drawing overlap, etc. needs to be included based on similar sized engines.
I resolved a "bad casting" valve porting by making a custom piston valve on a Stuart Sun engine. I built it with an adjustable connection to the valve to balance the timing between cylinders, but set as re-calculated was Good, so I managed to get one right. I did have the Stuart drawing though, so developing the correction of dimensions was easy.
A good game! I am fascinated following this one. Better experts than I are teaching us all. Thanks!
K2

 

[GreenTwin]

This is what I came up with.
It assumes a total D-valve travel of 0.614".
Steam port opening at full travel = 80% (typical for many old engines).

I also assumed a valve guide diameter of 0.25".
You need a little clearance to allow for heat expansion between the slot in the top of the valve and the valve rod.
There is also clearance under the valve rod.
The valve can move in and out towards the port face, so the nuts on either side cannot be tight against the valve.
Not sure how you will secure this valve to your valve rod.

This should get you into the ballpark.

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[GreenTwin]

This is what a typical D-valve looks like.
I did a flat design for you.
You really don't need a domed design like is shown in this picture.
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[GreenTwin]

It appears that on some (perhaps many) steam engines, the core for the ports were undersized, and the final port dimensions were established by precision machining.
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[GreenTwin]

These are the port face dimensions that I used.
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[chris123]

Hi jason
I get hat done as soon im back from work
Regards chris

 

[chris123]

These are the port face dimensions that I used.
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Hi green twin
It got more slots than 3
I did the paper as u mentioned
Bud i will double check
Regards chris

 

[GreenTwin]

This is what you are calling "slots", which are actually called "ports".
They should be dead ends, unless they are the input from the high pressure valve/cylinder.
Either way, the D-valve remains the same, as I show it in previous posts.
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[Jasonb]

This is what I came up with.
It assumes a total D-valve travel of 0.614".


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Chris has given the eccentric movement as12mm though if an imperial engine may well be 0.500"

 

[GreenTwin]

Chris has given the eccentric movement as12mm though if an imperial engine may well be 0.500"

If that is the case, then change this dimension.
The other dimensions above will still work.
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[Jasonb]

This is what I came up with based on the sizes I scaled off the rubbing and 12mm of valve movement. Allows a bit of internal and external overlap for the cored ports not being totally straight. Should not affect performance much, it is not as though efficiency and power are what is wanted, just a running display engine Not fully detailed the valve externals but the cavity is what matters.

 

[chris123]

If that is the case, then change this dimension.
The other dimensions above will still work.
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This is what I came up with.
It assumes a total D-valve travel of 0.614".
Steam port opening at full travel = 80% (typical for many old engines).

I also assumed a valve guide diameter of 0.25".
You need a little clearance to allow for heat expansion between the slot in the top of the valve and the valve rod.
There is also clearance under the valve rod.
The valve can move in and out towards the port face, so the nuts on either side cannot be tight against the valve.
Not sure how you will secure this valve to your valve rod.

This should get you into the ballpark.

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Far out thank you green twin
The slider
Thank you very much
Chris

 

[chris123]

This is what I came up with based on the sizes I scaled off the rubbing and 12mm of valve movement. Allows a bit of internal and external overlap for the cored ports not being totally straight. Should not affect performance much, it is not as though efficiency and power are what is wanted, just a running display engine Not fully detailed the valve externals but the cavity is what matters.

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Hi jason aswell to you thank you very much
You guys are awsome
I put the mic on the crank ends if u guys want
I try to get a paperprint prom that 18.5 hohle

 

[chris123]

It appears that on some (perhaps many) steam engines, the core for the ports were undersized, and the final port dimensions were established

This is what I came up with based on the sizes I scaled off the rubbing and 12mm of valve movement. Allows a bit of internal and external overlap for the cored ports not being totally straight. Should not affect performance much, it is not as though efficiency and power are what is wanted, just a running display engine Not fully detailed the valve externals but the cavity is what matters.

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View attachment 163873

 

[chris123]

This is what I came up with based on the sizes I scaled off the rubbing and 12mm of valve movement. Allows a bit of internal and external overlap for the cored ports not being totally straight. Should not affect performance much, it is not as though efficiency and power are what is wanted, just a running display engine Not fully detailed the valve externals but the cavity is what matters.

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Hi jason
Its probably also my conversion to inch
I used just 25.4 and divided
Like 10.85 : 25.4= 0.42716535
Me 0.43
I double check that 18 19 mm hohle again and try to get the hohle pattern
Regards chris

 

[chris123]

Hi jason
Its probably also my conversion to inch
I used just 25.4 and divided
Like 10.85 : 25.4= 0.42716535
Me 0.43
I double check that 18 19 mm hohle again and try to get the hohle pattern
Regards chris

Hi jason and green twin
Here is the 18 mm hohle in the cast
With verniere and mic
Chris
It showes 18 .235 mm

 

[chris123]

Hi jason and green twin
Here is the 18 mm hohle in the cast
With verniere and mic
Chris
It showes 18 .235 mm

Hi jason
Its probably also my conversion to inch
I used just 25.4 and divided
Like 10.85 : 25.4= 0.42716535
Me 0.43
I double check that 18 19 mm hohle again and try to get the hohle pattern
Regards chris

Lets try the crank flange

Hi jason
Its probably also my conversion to inch
I used just 25.4 and divided
Like 10.85 : 25.4= 0.42716535
Me 0.43
I double check that 18 19 mm hohle again and try to get the hohle pattern
Regards chris

It showes 30.27 mm
Not realy metric
Why wouldent you do 30?
Chris

 

[chris123]

Hi jason
Its probably also my conversion to inch
I used just 25.4 and divided
Like 10.85 : 25.4= 0.42716535
Me 0.43
I double check that 18 19 mm hohle again and try to get the hohle pattern
Regards chris

Lets see the crank bearing
15.23
Chris

 

[chris123]

Hi green twin and jason
Can it be that here a little pressure gauge
Or a cock is installed?