Thanks all! I am just kind of lurking here a bit. I never thought i would want to do machine work when i retire. The closer i get to retirement age, I really dont know what i would do without access to a lathe and mill. I am starting to look around for a lathe and a mill to get my home shop started. Trying to talk them into a new lathe at work so i can bid on our old monarch cw. I cut my teeth on that old lathe years ago and it needs a little work but all in all a great lathe. It is a 16 x 54 but it will actually swing 18 1/2 over the ways. As far as a mill ill probably try to find a bridgeport series 2 with variable speed and a dro. Kind of a wish list i know. I have 7 years b4 i retire and i need all this up and running well b4 then. As far as the motorcycles go, i too catch a lot of grief about all mine. I have 3 harleys and have started building a fourth one. This latest one is kind of an inspiration from all the old david mann illustrations i loved as a kid. I have a pacho wishbone frame, A mid 80,s harley narrow springer front end complete with brakes risers mini apes and all, a bates solo seat, and i am looking for a shovelhead doner bike And btw i got hung with "eightball" when i joined the MC club years ago. I do still love to shoot pool and just last week won an 8 ball tourney. As far as machine work goes, i know nothing about CNC, its always been manual machine work for me.