John, you cannot stop teaching machining skills now and problem solving, words of wisdom and wit, you have been a well spring of wisdom for us all, we will not accept surrender, I have leaned a lot from you here and other places, you post always grabs my attention know that the author is will teacher to those who do not know and the only thing that was not learned is what was not asked, we all have a days of doubt and darkness, I do know that we will not live here for ever and probably would not want to but some day we can machine parts in Heaven and the chips will disappear only leaving what we so desired a finished work of perfection and time will be no more, we can enjoy each other and the desires of our hearts, just take on day at the time when you get discourage you must encourage yourself, just think on what you have accomplished and what you have done for those whom you have helped, that did not say thank you but to themselves that fellow is good and he shared his wisdom with us, so John hold on Buddy just one day at the time, a night rest bring fresh ideas and a new beginning each day, I am down with lung infection again this is the seventh time getting at retirement age hoping to be able to enjoy a few years, heck just bought 4 more lathe, been house bound going on the second week, thankful I have a small shop that is Air Conditioned so I can go in there and machine until I get tiered which don't take long but will over come this on also, prayer is that God heals you, that would be a great report, hang in John, praying for you, Lathe Nut (Joe)