100model
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This video is all about using a crucible furnace to melt iron for the art shows she goes to. These shows always use a cupola to melt iron so it is unusual to see a crucible furnace being used.
Cast iron gypsy video.
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The furnace and burners are discussed in this article.
https://www.colescastings.com/a-sustainable-melt-furnace-for-school-and-small-foundry-applications/
And some info here:
https://www.colescastings.com/sustainable-oil-furnace-at-asu-phoenix-arizona/
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https://www.colescastings.com/a-sustainable-melt-furnace-for-school-and-small-foundry-applications/
And some info here:
https://www.colescastings.com/sustainable-oil-furnace-at-asu-phoenix-arizona/
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A few notes about oil-fired furnaces and burners:
As 100model and I both know, the statement Coles makes (these folks are not related to the Coles model engine company in the USA) about gas (such as natural gas or propane) not getting hot enough to melt iron is false.
Not sure why they make that statement.
The Coles guy does mention that you can have all sorts of problems when using used vegetable oil, such has having large amounts of solids in the oil, water contamination, etc.
Someone else I know who has used a lot of vegetable oil to run his foundry burner said that vegetable oil causes a lot of corrosion and blockage issues as the oil sits in the burner and tubing between melts. He uses vegetable oil because it is free.
He also has a lot of clogging issues due to solids being in the oil.
And in the USA, they have started locking up all the used vegetable oil containers outside of the fry places, and you can't even access it unless you know someone.
There are many good reasons to not use vegetable oil in a foundry furnace, but if you want to make a feel-good statement about the environment, then you can do that with vegetable oil.
It takes a lot of energy to refine the vegetable oil, and hydrogenate it, so if you are using commercial cooking oil, it took a lot of energy to make that, and it is a falacy to think you are getting something that did not pollute when it was made.
The intent of the Coles guy is good, ie: trying to use a sustainable fuel, but not very practical/trouble-free in actual use from what I have heard from those who use it.
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As 100model and I both know, the statement Coles makes (these folks are not related to the Coles model engine company in the USA) about gas (such as natural gas or propane) not getting hot enough to melt iron is false.
Not sure why they make that statement.
The Coles guy does mention that you can have all sorts of problems when using used vegetable oil, such has having large amounts of solids in the oil, water contamination, etc.
Someone else I know who has used a lot of vegetable oil to run his foundry burner said that vegetable oil causes a lot of corrosion and blockage issues as the oil sits in the burner and tubing between melts. He uses vegetable oil because it is free.
He also has a lot of clogging issues due to solids being in the oil.
And in the USA, they have started locking up all the used vegetable oil containers outside of the fry places, and you can't even access it unless you know someone.
There are many good reasons to not use vegetable oil in a foundry furnace, but if you want to make a feel-good statement about the environment, then you can do that with vegetable oil.
It takes a lot of energy to refine the vegetable oil, and hydrogenate it, so if you are using commercial cooking oil, it took a lot of energy to make that, and it is a falacy to think you are getting something that did not pollute when it was made.
The intent of the Coles guy is good, ie: trying to use a sustainable fuel, but not very practical/trouble-free in actual use from what I have heard from those who use it.
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If you want consistent iron melts, use automotive or non-automotive grade diesel.
If you have access to non-contaminated waste engine oil, you can use that, but it is often contaminated with radiator fluid, water, etc., and it also contains heavy metals, which is why I don't use it.
Diesel solves the problems of having all the solids in the fuel (I still use an inline automotive filter just in case, but they have never clogged when using diesel). And diesel can sit in the fuel tank and fuel lines/burner for a long time without sludging up or corroding things.
The Coles guy in the video uses a drip-style oil burner, as does 100model.
I could never get consistent results with a drip-style burner, so I use a siphon nozzle burner.
I did make a dual siphon-nozzle burner setup, but unfortunately that was early on in my foundry journey, and so I did not know how to tune it correctly, and went back to a single burner.
Many of the commercial furnaces like the one he converted in the video above used dual natural gas burners, and so he probably had the dual tuyeres at 180 degrees already.
I think the dual burners will melt faster, and if I get time, I will probably go back to using a dual burner system.
And the Coles guy is correct, the burners must be tuned for a reducing flame (rich), so that you don't oxidize the iron.
The Coles guy does not mention using ferrosilicon to prevent hard spots (called chills) in the iron, so I am not sure if he is aware of that product or not.
It is very difficult to make model engine parts without ferrosilicon, if you want parts that are machinable.
Thin gray iron parts that are cast without ferrrosilicon can be the hardness of tool steel.
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If you have access to non-contaminated waste engine oil, you can use that, but it is often contaminated with radiator fluid, water, etc., and it also contains heavy metals, which is why I don't use it.
Diesel solves the problems of having all the solids in the fuel (I still use an inline automotive filter just in case, but they have never clogged when using diesel). And diesel can sit in the fuel tank and fuel lines/burner for a long time without sludging up or corroding things.
The Coles guy in the video uses a drip-style oil burner, as does 100model.
I could never get consistent results with a drip-style burner, so I use a siphon nozzle burner.
I did make a dual siphon-nozzle burner setup, but unfortunately that was early on in my foundry journey, and so I did not know how to tune it correctly, and went back to a single burner.
Many of the commercial furnaces like the one he converted in the video above used dual natural gas burners, and so he probably had the dual tuyeres at 180 degrees already.
I think the dual burners will melt faster, and if I get time, I will probably go back to using a dual burner system.
And the Coles guy is correct, the burners must be tuned for a reducing flame (rich), so that you don't oxidize the iron.
The Coles guy does not mention using ferrosilicon to prevent hard spots (called chills) in the iron, so I am not sure if he is aware of that product or not.
It is very difficult to make model engine parts without ferrosilicon, if you want parts that are machinable.
Thin gray iron parts that are cast without ferrrosilicon can be the hardness of tool steel.
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I did a demonstration iron pour for "cast iron gypsy" (the person who made the video), and the local art-iron group, locally in 2019.
I thought that many of the art-iron folks would convert over to oil-fired furnaces after seeing how I did it.
As it turns out, the art-iron groups around the country hold festivals, where many of the artists travel long distances, and they fire up one or more coke-fired cupolas/cupolets.
It is a big, messy, hot, sometimes dangerous, very involved, very labor-intensive affair, and they work like ants in unison to make it all happen.
It is like a religious ceremony that goes on for several days; often a day of mold making, a day of pouring, and a day of shake out/cleanup, and often many group learning workshops.
They have no desire to melt and pour iron efficiently.
It is all about the comradery of working together in a ceremonial fashion, for a common goal (to make artwork in gray iron), and the coke-fired cupola/cupolets are the centeral part of that.
The cupolas/cupolets beltch out fire, smoke, and pour out and spill impressive streams of molten iron for the crowd to witness, and so it is show business as much as it is creating artwork.
I am convinced that art-iron folks will never use oil-fired crucible furnaces.
It would ruin their display/show.
Doing things the hard way/old-school way is an integral part of what they do to create art.
And the art-iron folks have access to coke (coal heated in the absence of oxygen) for a fuel, but for a normal hobby person like myself, small quantities of coke have been basically impossible to find for sale.
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I thought that many of the art-iron folks would convert over to oil-fired furnaces after seeing how I did it.
As it turns out, the art-iron groups around the country hold festivals, where many of the artists travel long distances, and they fire up one or more coke-fired cupolas/cupolets.
It is a big, messy, hot, sometimes dangerous, very involved, very labor-intensive affair, and they work like ants in unison to make it all happen.
It is like a religious ceremony that goes on for several days; often a day of mold making, a day of pouring, and a day of shake out/cleanup, and often many group learning workshops.
They have no desire to melt and pour iron efficiently.
It is all about the comradery of working together in a ceremonial fashion, for a common goal (to make artwork in gray iron), and the coke-fired cupola/cupolets are the centeral part of that.
The cupolas/cupolets beltch out fire, smoke, and pour out and spill impressive streams of molten iron for the crowd to witness, and so it is show business as much as it is creating artwork.
I am convinced that art-iron folks will never use oil-fired crucible furnaces.
It would ruin their display/show.
Doing things the hard way/old-school way is an integral part of what they do to create art.
And the art-iron folks have access to coke (coal heated in the absence of oxygen) for a fuel, but for a normal hobby person like myself, small quantities of coke have been basically impossible to find for sale.
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And one final note, if you are pouring model engine parts in gray iron, I highly recommend that you do not use the very tall waterfall pour that they are using in the video above, since that entrains air, slag, sand, etc. into the melt.
If you watch 100model's videos, he gets the lip of the crucible almost touching or even touching the top of the sprue, to eliminate the waterfall effect.
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If you watch 100model's videos, he gets the lip of the crucible almost touching or even touching the top of the sprue, to eliminate the waterfall effect.
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100model
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I could never understand why they do that because there is one advantage to pouring close to the sprue, you do not spill metal like they do. In a hobby setting where small amounts are melted spilling metal means that it is going to be short pour.
100model
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When a silly statement like that gets onto the internet it becomes a fact and is repeated over and over which means it is a fact. I used propane gas to melt iron for ten years until I realized it was costing me too much and started to experiment with waste motor oil.
"until I realized it was costing me too much" I can second that statement, I swapped from using diesel to propane mainly because of the smoke when firing up , the smell and the mess.
I buy my propane in 47kg cylinders which is the cheapest way for me but it is far more expensive per melt than red diesel.
Although many do so , it is illegal to burn waste mineral oil in the UK without a license issued by local authorities.
Dan.
I buy my propane in 47kg cylinders which is the cheapest way for me but it is far more expensive per melt than red diesel.
Although many do so , it is illegal to burn waste mineral oil in the UK without a license issued by local authorities.
Dan.
Isn't the waterfall partly due to the full large crucible they are using and the distance from edge of flask to where they are pouring. As they work their way through the flasks the waterfall height reduces as they can tilt the crucible more and therefore lower.
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