Yeah, I was kind of coming at it from the same viewpoint, Mark. That said, "from castings" would be fun too, I suppose... Just don't screw up! I bought George's plans and they are very complete and well done. I agree with you on their quality.... As for the Cole's casting sale.... Those were too expensive for me personally, but I've dealt with the seller before. He is honest, packs incredibly well, and easy to work with. To that end, if they were priced at a point where I could have justified buying them (things are tight right now), I'd have bought them from Mike with absolute confidence that I'd get the product I purchased.