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Hobby or more....homemade engine for sale...
Personally, in the past I came to mini engines because I needed something to focus and forget unpleasant things...
And now, I thought why not... hobby and make money...make some kind of engine and sell it, cast it and sell it...
What do you think ??
 
Yes, I don't think this is a lucrative market, just make a few types of engines, one for me and 2 or 3 to sell to someone who likes it,
I won't do dozens or hundreds, just a few
 
Hobby or more....homemade engine for sale...
Personally, in the past I came to mini engines because I needed something to focus and forget unpleasant things...
And now, I thought why not... hobby and make money...make some kind of engine and sell it, cast it and sell it...
What do you think ??
I imagine it is difficult. When you needed something to "focus and forget" would you have bought a ready to run engine?

I guess the customer group is comparatively small.

Small utility engines can be bought for very little money. (can buy a small 4 stroke engine for under 100 USD) scooters, motor cycles, electric pumps or generators are cheaper than a Stuart model :cool:. So if you are after customers who just want to play around with any combustion engine for a few minutes before it becomes boring. You probalby need to stay below the price of any 2nd hand item and below utility motors.

If you go into "Museum quality" engines you might find the one or other customer who will pay a "seemingly huge" amount for them, but the time and money spent will probaly make it a loss on your side.

Greetings Timo
 
There is nothing inherently wrong in making to sell. Especially, if like me, your pleasure is in the making of the model. However there is no profit to be made by the hobbyist in this. For me it would just enable me to finance better tooling or more materials. To make money you need to find something niche in order to compete with the CNC produced kits coming out of China. A bit like PSE have done with their steam engines.
 
I don't see a problem with selling things in the hobby world to make some money.
I have seen quite a few do that.
Some have ytube channels with Patreon.
We all have to eat, and food is very expensive these days.

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I have made several engines to commission and turned down more. I have also thought about building 2 or 3 at a time as it would take less time than making them individually but it would really only provide pocket money in most cases as there are very few people who would pay a working wage if you charged a realistic price for the hours spent.

Of those that I have made to commission, all have been subjects I actually wanted to build, most being obsolete casting kits that I may not have got the chance to otherwise build. I don't think I would be so inclined to put the detail and time into something I was not keen on or had already done so only take on the odd commission. What may be enjoyable as a hobby could soon change if you get stuck doing multiples of the same thing

The other factor is time. I have a file of "future projects " on the computer and it grows faster than I can make them so taking on another build or doing a small batch all eats into the time I want to spend in the shop so I now mostly only do the engines that I want to. If I want a bit of pocket money to cover the cost of materials, tooling, CAD license,etc then I'll write up a build for one of the magazines. It's not much different to writing one up for a forum so may as well get paid for it.

As Timo and Tony say you either need to build something unique and to a high standard to sell individual models or dull down the design and automate production to be able to compete with the far eastern ready to run offerings. Even then there is a market limit to what a certain type and size of engine will sell for
 
My two cents: From time to time I have done machine and/or fab work for various friends - usually small projects, but in one case a multi-week project involving around $750 in materials. I have steadfastly refused to take any money other than covering the materials, though I was tempted in the case of the multi-week project. Why? Because I want to keep this as a hobby, not let it turn into a job. I don't want the stress of a deadline I have to meet, obligated to meet it because someone is paying me.

There is one major exception to my no-compensation rule: I have written two or three articles for Home Shop Machinist and received compensation for them. Was the compensation enough to make it "worth" the time invested? Not even close. But it certainly did fund the purchase of some additional tooling! :) However, for me, the real reward was the fun of putting something together that was deemed by the editors (probably in a moment of distraction) worthy of publication.

Like others have said, if one were to pursue this as a viable way to earn a living, I suspect one would either be unsuccessful or highly stressed or both. But if one is already drawing up plans for something, is there any reason not to sell them for a few bucks? Based on my strictly-a-hobby philosophy, I have chosen not to put a price on any plans I have made - not that I have had many plans to share - but I absolutely understand and support those who do. And if someone is casting one model, it certainly would make sense to cast a dozen and sell the extras. Who knows ... when I retire in a few years, I may decide to open shop to see if I get a little extra tool budget money!
 
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I turned down a substantial amount of money from Live Steam Magazine for the Green Twin Article.
I did not ask for money, they just said "We will send you this money".
I told them "thanks but no thanks; contribute it to a good cause for the hobby".

I am not going to get in the business of making money from the hobby.
I think going commercial would ruin it for me.
I have one job already; I don't need two.

I certainly don't fault others who want to make some money from it; more power to those folks.

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Hobby or more....homemade engine for sale...
Personally, in the past I came to mini engines because I needed something to focus and forget unpleasant things...
And now, I thought why not... hobby and make money...make some kind of engine and sell it, cast it and sell it...
What do you think ??
It good step to bigger things later.

Dave
 
I turned down a substantial amount of money from Live Steam Magazine for the Green Twin Article.
I did not ask for money, they just said "We will send you this money".
I told them "thanks but no thanks; contribute it to a good cause for the hobby".

I am not going to get in the business of making money from the hobby.
I think going commercial would ruin it for me.
I have one job already; I don't need two.

I certainly don't fault others who want to make some money from it; more power to those folks.

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it is my not so humble opinion that you should always take the $$. The reason is sort of twisted, but it's like this: Not Live Steam magazine necessarily, because I have never bought a subscription, but for some other mags. Two mags that come bi-monthly, published by the same company and realistically, are the same mag, just split into two parts. The subscriptions are rather expensive, at least for me the are.

My complaint is that the mags are printed on very expensive paper, thick paper, photographic quality paper, very few pages and usually empty of quality projects that don't seem trivial or outright silly. you might guess the two mags I am talking about. I thimpfks that most likely the problem is that there simply are not enough people sending in quality projects like had been done in the 20's, 30's, 40s ---to mabye the 70's when the hobby was heavy with subscribers (before TV, internet, etc.). Now too few are interested and, I suppose, the magazine companies can't sell enough mags to lower the cost. They really needs to attract better projects.

If they had better projects I would be far more willing to pay the high price. I'm lucky if I get two projects a year that I am mildly interested in and one project in TWO years that I really want to make. I can't really justify spending 130$ for two mags per year with a total of 12 issues. I could buy three or four sets of plans that I specifically want to build for that amount of $$.

So my feeling is that take the money and brag about it so there are more people willing to take the time to send better projects to the magazines. The internet has so many great vids, Blondi, Joe, the old tony, and loads of others that it is really absurd, it seems impossible that the magazines can continue to exist in their poor form. The problem with the internet, is too often there are no downloadable plans. Many of these peeps get $$ from advertising, have sponsors or use Patreon so I don't feel as if I should pay them more for plans necessarily.

I am presently re-doing the Bonelle TCutter Grinder drawings which are so complicated that these actually need to be paid for if one wants good copies. The problem with the ones I am copying is that the drawings I am taking mine from are very poorly done--lots of missing dims, all parts unnamed or unnumbered, parts that one cannot tell where they go or how they are used. Many parts are extremely difficult to see how they are to be made--this means a perspective or 3D view needs to accompany the part. Also, there is a mix of imperial and metric units! NOT good. AND . . . there are metric, imperial and BA and BSA threads. IMO (and not very humble either), this is very poor way to make things.

Sometimes drawings are so time consuming to make, I thimpfks the person making them should be paid. JD de Waal is one such person--he does a lot of drawing and gives them away for free which I really appreciate, however, he has most likely put in thousands of hours doing this. I don't like his cramming of his drawings the way he does, particularly since it is not on paper but rather digital--easy to store and extremely cheap.
 

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